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Part of me would rather have Washington, Oregon, and California become the new Republic of Cascadia.
The other part of me would be happy to become a Canadian.
Either way works for me. Somebody just roll out the bill and I'll sign.
Why not bring in Nevada too? Having Las Vegas without crossing international borders would be nice.
Water supply could become a problem for Vegas if they wouldn't join
I'm not from the USA so don't know much about your history but the last time a few states were trying (really trying, not just signing bills) to make their own country in 1860s it ended badly. Modern Americans are still mocking those who lost that war.
Its almost like the reason to secede would be completely different in 2025 than in the 1860s. Are you suggesting that the 2025 secession would end badly? And for which side is it going to end badly for?
There's no law left.
The constitution has been terminated, as per Frumps statements and actions.
Besides, can't commit a crime if you're defending your country. Straight from the horses ass. He didn't say which country.
According to Trump, the Constitution is just a suggestion anyways.
They couldn't legally secede from Great Britain either
I mean, to secede would eliminate a lot of laws that you previously had to follow, but once seceded, don't apply to you anymore (at least in the eyes of the state).
In the original Civil War, the Confederacy had the land advantage and a surplus of people willing to fight.
The North had just as many people willing to fight, but also money.
And because they had money, they had better weaponry, better cavalry, and healthier, happier soldiers.
Further, there were many people in the South who did not agree with the Civil War and who supported the North's conquest of the South.
The South was in a very bad situation financially and organizationally to fight a civil war, whereas Cascadia, being Washington, California, and Oregon would have quite a bit in its favor, Especially if we did something outlandish like ask the Chinese for help in exchange for a trade agreement.
Having a new country pop up between America and the far west would be disastrous for America's financial stability.
I am not saying that we should start a civil war or that we should actually secede from the union. I am just saying that this would not resemble the civil war at all, and barring an early blitzkrieg or a nuclear assault, they could win.
The US's economic war on Canada is also somewhat of an economic war on California/rest of US as well. Goal is to enrich rust belt metals and manufacturing at the expense of all American consumers. The national guard/immigration/pollution war on California is simply fomenting Chaos against it as an additional layer.
The problem with hateful divisiveness against allies and internal states is new questioning over the value of democratic unity. If the US government hates you, then you should look for new friends. Having better value Chinese cars and energy and other consumer goods is extremely attractive on its own, as is denied Chinese market opportunities for CA firms, but if "democratic unity over respect for rulers" no longer makes sense, then it no longer makes sense to tolerate federal tariff extortion, on top of federal corporate and personal taxes used to oppress you.
Unfortunately, weapons/military assistance creates profit opportunity for endless proxy war. Direct nuclear destruction threats are the only way to end war, but nuclear umbrellas are a fiction, because the risk level exceeds devotion to another nation.
*western Washington, Oregon, and California
I mean, yes, or we could annex the tip of Idaho and exile everybody that voted for Trump Or that does not swear allegiance to the new Republic of Cascadia.
Nah, some motherfuckers would try to make the state of Jefferson to fuck up demographics.
Let 'em make Jefferson. I worked in the parts of the Sierra where the idea was popular (even though this county wasn't even included in the proposal lmao), and it would make the poorest state in the union. It'd be even poorer than W. Virginia and Mississippi. Let's see if maybe they like San Francisco and Sacramento a bit more once they realize who was paying for CalFire.