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How to say Marx was right without saying "Marx was right".

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[–] CatherineLily@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 days ago (7 children)

So, how long do we have left?

[–] asg101@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No one knows, many humans and other species are already dying from climate change today. Get used to hearing the phrase "It is happening much faster than expected." from now on.

[–] CatherineLily@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Guess people better start updating their plans then. No point in starting a family and having kids when they'll just die to climate change.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People are doing that. Fertility rates are way below replacement rates. Now billionaires are freaking out that their customer base and work force is shrinking.

[–] django@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And the solution is of course outlawing abortions, instead of keeping the planet in a habitable state.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 2 points 1 day ago

Others have already tried banning abortions and it was a total failure, but ideology says it's a great idea so there they go again.

[–] django@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago

I am way ahead of you.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

I'm curious if we will hit a correctional point when most of life dies off and civilization can restart. I'm picturing some fallout/metro kind of shit where people need to love underground for centuries.

[–] FollyDolly@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I would say under ten years if we are talking about staying in "life as we know it." Global food supplies are at risk. We are going to see mass die offs in large portions of the ocean. AMOC and the Jet stream will continue to wobble around causing mayhem. Coastale areas will become eroded and huge portions of the infrastructure will become unfixable as the disasters come too frequently for any real, long term repairs to remain.

Think about that term, tipping piont. Tipping does not imply a gentle decent.

[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Collapse is a process, not an event." It's very likely we'll be extinct by the end of the century. There will be all manner of hell from now until then. Our population of over 8 billion is only possible because of a highly complex global web of systems. Complex systems are fragile. Once dominos start falling, people will start starving very quickly.

[–] scintilla@kbin.earth 16 points 2 days ago

Its entirely possible that 99% of humanity dies but I don't really buy into us going extinct. People have an inate drive to survive and even if things are genuinely horrible I don't see them just giving up. Unless there is literally no food/potable water I think the planet is stuck with some form of humanity until the planet is uninhabitable. Remember there are still dinosaurs around today, they just look different.

[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

that's a loaded and optimistic question. With the way the world is going currently being taken out by climate change and only climate change is awfully optimistic. I think that would be the best case scenario at this point.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The typical Lemming will be poorer but fine, unless it triggers other human disasters like a nuclear exchange. The lower classes of Bangladesh, less so, and 95%+ of coral reefs are fucked.

[–] teppa@piefed.ca -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

This guy says climate change mitigation will be a blip on the radar of economic growth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfNamRmje-s

[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

Hooooly shit, that man is a sociopath. It's no wonder we're barrelling into 5°C with people like him driving the world's economy.

He's done the classic trader thing:

  1. Classify everything based on its financial value
  2. Ignore the real-world implications of things that don't fit his models
  3. Take it as a given that markets will always behave the same way regardless of point 2.
[–] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

This guy has no fucking clue about human beings and does not give a single shit about human beings. His opinion can be safely discarded