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[–] wisha@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Does any GNOME user here use X11? On my computer I have been exclusively using Wayland for 3 years. It's great.

Slightly concerned about remote desktopping though. What do I replace xrdp with?

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I have RSI, and I use talon voice to control my computer.

Because Wayland doesn't, and probably won't support accessibility software like talon voice, in time, as x11 is shut down, I'll have to move to Mac or Windows. I'm devastated.

Talon voice is what allows me to continue working.

I'm literally going to have to move back to the dark side in time, due to the end of X11, and Wayland's lack of support for accessibility.

[–] IAmTheKernelError@piefed.social 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sorry to hear this; why are so many voice-control tools for Linux so dependent on X11? Is there any glimmer of hope that an alternate Wayland-compatible tool is going to come along in the next few years?

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Wayland security model is far more restrictive. Accessibility tools need to screen capture, create input events on your behalf, etc. Such things aren't possible under Wayland (yet?).

[–] Lojcs@piefed.social 9 points 1 month ago

Pretty sure both have been available through portals for at least a year

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is the one gigantic, glaring problem with Wayland. “The most secure software is the software you can’t use” is not a philosophy I support. Accessibility should always be a first class citizen for mission critical components like window managers.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

Accessibility is better than reported on Wayland. It is being taken seriously.

[–] lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

It says "X11 disabled by default", does that imply you can enable it again?

In any case I wish you the best

[–] eugenia@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Use Talon with Cinnamon and Linux Mint, which still uses X11.

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'll do what I can. However, x11 will definitely die in the upcoming years. Development is apparently only maintenance now and basic improvements. The writing is on the wall, as Wayland just doesn't support what the accessibility tools require.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When Ubuntu LTS stops shipping X11 in 2032, that'll hopefully have changed

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

That would be nice. I hope so

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago

i've heard MATE works well for accessibility, have you tried it?

[–] spongeborgcubepants@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I do due to an annoying bug that only pops up when using Wayland, forces me to relogin and thus lose my current session.

Haven't tested for a while though, maybe it's fixed already.

[–] Mereo@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Keep coming back to Wayland. I've been using Linux as my main desktop OS since 2022, and at first, I encountered many issues with Wayland (KDE). However, I kept coming back and testing Wayland as the bugs were fixed. Now, Wayland is great! It feels like a true modern operating system — much better than Windows.

[–] DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

KDE user here, I still use X11 to play old Minecraft versions. LWJGL2 uses xrandr to read (and sometimes modify? wtf) display configurations on Linux, and the last few times I've tried it on Wayland it kept screwing the whole desktop up.

[–] davet@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago

I think gnome has an rdp server built in. Just need to enable it in settings.

[–] brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

Slightly concerned about remote desktopping though. What do I replace xrdp with?

Xrdp works on Wayland, you can keep using it if you like. There's also Gnome's built-in Gnome Remote Desktop as well as KDE's Krdp, both are also Wayland compatible (though I get the feeling Krdp is still in its early stages).

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The only thing I want from x11 is a proper wayland autoclicker with working global bindings,Yes I can use xclicker but no global bindings.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 month ago

Its just because most of then are cli based.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] tla@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

waypipe -c lz4=9 ssh env QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland-egl <remote-program-path [args]>

[–] moomoomoo309@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

bingo and thank you

[–] WILSOOON@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

I do, its a bit more stable with nvidia still, i sometimes get black screens randomly wit wayland

[–] piexil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yeah because they dropped the vnc sever for the Wayland session and our workflow at work still uses vnc

[–] master_of_unlocking@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you can install it I’ve found that Remmina works well

[–] piexil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

That's a client, not server

[–] eneff@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

I have been running gnome-shell with the --no-x11 flag for quite some time now and haven't been missing anything.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's default on pop os. Cannot remember if I tried Wayland, just going with the flow and it works for now

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

One of the ironies with System76 is that they are taking so long to release their Wayland-only desktop that they are becoming one of the last bastions of Xorg.