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The authors give away their ideology when they conflate anti-Zionism with anti-semitism.
If you think Zionism is a good thing, you’re supporting genocide.
Where do they conflate it? Here's an excerpt from the quote they provide as an example of antisemitism:
And you give away your ideology with this comment. You are the extreme they are talking about.
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command"
You reject this paper solely because it might go against your own beliefs. You don't need to agree with every thing everyone publishes. It is important to keep your mind open instead of taking anything that might make your question your beliefs as a personal attack. Stop with the us vs them and start thinking for yourself.
You would a reject an article from an pro russian media too
Ireland is trying to redefine "genocide" to include Gaza & Ukraine situations.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce48wpd08pgo
"Redefine" when it's calling it what it is.
Fuck off.
most of the ukranians in crimea still live there after the almost bloodless coup. don't tell me you haven't thought this through. the irish must be huffing too much amazon money. how is it putting one foot in front of another? we call it walking
It didn't redefine anything. Yes both are genocides based on the legal definition
You are a zionist if you support a two-state solution.
What a bunch of bs
How so?
Herzl admited that he wanted the palestinians out like i mentionned in other comment. You are a zionist if you believe that zionists has eternal right to the land because of a two year old kingdom
I don't think that. But I do think Israel has a right to exist.
Today yes but before it creation no, because zionists was imigrants that wanted to force a state by ethenically cleansing local population. It's still ok to believe in a one state with equal right too
Does palestine has a right to exists too?
Yes
Zionists do not support it , they always refused to give back all the land that was occupied by israel in 67 those land are palestinians under international law and do not support a one state solution either that would allow israeli and palestinian in the whole land of mandate palestine and live together with equal rights
There's a lot wrong with what you just said. But we'll poke into Mandate Palestine. So if these Zionists weren't supportive of allowing Palestine to exist, then why would they be supportive of the initial UN-resolution that promised just that, equality for two states?
Zionists knew that palestinians the local population wouldn't accept to give up 55% of their land to recent imigrants owning only 9% of the land. Certain arabs also suggested a one state solution from the beginning which no zionist supported back then. Yoy also like to only read whst you want i told you that ben gurion ssid he want the whole land
If zionists really wanted peace they wouldn't have occupied gaza and the west bank in 67, they wouldn't support illegal settlements in west bank, they wouldn't still call west bank as judea.
I don't think there's any point in having this discussion with you. Like
Is just so ignorant. This is a lost cause.
It was occupied because a war was declared on Israel. Why is the onus of peace on Israel as opposed to the Arab states that started the war? You handwaved points like calling Amin al-Husseini irrelevant and then doubling down, you ignored that there are anti-zionist dog-whistles, you downvote every reply I give you -- You're not arguing honestly, and I don't have the patience to entertain this any longer.
It's based on facts that you are trying to redefine
“The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” - Former Prime minister Menachem Begin
Even if egypt really was about the attack while not only occupy certain part of egypt instead of occupying more palestinian land?
Technically true. I am therefore a Zionist. That doesn't mean I want to see Israel expand into Jordan or even expand settlements in the WB.
You are no zionist if you oppose settlements in west bank because zionists believe any part of old jewish kingdoms belong to them
Me neither
But too often is zionist used as a dog whistle for jew.
How do you know it is most of the time and not just sometimes? It's like saying science often used for bad things like some racists was trying to use science to proof that white people are superior
Most of the time it's pointing out dog whistles and common slogans antisemites use to identify one another while also radicalising "normies"
It's difficult
Stilñ waiting for evidence about it being most of the time rather thsn sometimes
Okay, sure. So, an example is the red arrow; you've probably seen some Twitter users or Hexbear users have the red arrow when referring to zionists.
This red arrow is a reference to Hamas propaganda videos, which in of itself is a reference to the Holocaust A "normie" would never know this, but extremists and antisemites can use it to identify one another while handwaving those who point out the dog whistle, 'Oh, it's just an arrow, don't be so paranoid.'
Tsnkies are not the whole world show me surveys
What? I'm just going to assume a language barrier here and you didn't understand me.
You asked for evidence of dog whistles, and so I showed an example.
No, i ask proof that generally not only in lemmy or a certain lemmy instances most antizionists are antisemites.
Okay, but you do acknowledge that there are those who use zionism as a dog whistle for jew?
I only ever see Zionists doing that.
How you mean?
Yes but this doesn't make antizionism in general bad and don't discredit palestinian liberation mouvement either
Depends really. I stand by in saying that if you support two states then you're a zionist, and you'll find that's the majority's opinion on the matter.
Do you support two states?
You are ignoring what zionist thinkers and leaders said so i still stand by saying supporting a two state solution do not make you a zionist, believing that the zionists imigrants had the right to force a state on local population and ethnically cleansing them is being a zionist. I support a one state because a two state make zero sense.West bank and gaza are not contiguous so how palestinians could move between both without israeli control? A two state would also mean displacing hundred thousands of israelis and palestinians , it would have a big impact on israeli economy so imagine how much worse would be for palestine to absord 3 millions palestinians.
Believing in a one state is the ultimate believe in antisimitism being bad since both semetic group could reconciliate and live together after 57 years of occupation
Wait how would a two state mean displacement? You do know what a two state solution is, right?
There is 700k illegal settlers in the west bank naturally in a two state they will be displaced to israel
keep em coming yank, every alt you make just grows the community numbers
Like you need more bots lmao.
lol you called yourself a bot
It is scary that we have made humans into political topics.
Always have been