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Pragmatic Leftist Theory

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The neolibs are too far right. The tankies are doing whatever that is. Where's the space for the people who want fully-automated-luxury-gay-space-communism, but realize that it's gonna take a while and there are lots of steps between now and then? Here. This is that space.

Here, people should endeavor to discuss and devise practical, actionable leftist action. Vote lesser evil while you build grassroots coalitions. Unionize your workplace. Participate in SRAs. Build cohesion your local community. Educate the proletariat.

This is a place for practical people to develop practical plans to implement stable, incremental improvement.

If you're dead-set on drumming up all 18,453 True Leftists® into spontaneous Revolution, go somewhere else. The grown ups are talking.

Rules:

-1. Don't be a dick. Racism, sexism, other assorted bigotries, you know the drill. At least try to default to mutually respectful discussion. We're all on the same side here, unless you aren't, in which case kindly leave.

-2. Don't be a tankie. Yes I'm sure you have an extensive knowledge of century-old theory. There's been a century of history since then. Things didn't shake out as expected, maybe consider the possibility that a different angle of attack might be more effective in light of new data.

-3. Be practical. No one on the left benefits from counterproductive actions. This is a space informed by, not enslaved to, ideology. Promoting actions that are fundamentally untenable in the system in question, because they fulfill a sense of ideological purity, is a bad look. Don't do that.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

i'm sure the next old ghoul with a blue D on his shirt will save you from fascism.

also conflating socdems and libs with communists lol.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

i’m sure the next old ghoul with a blue D on his shirt will save you from fascism.

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll still be advocating for the fascist then.

also conflating socdems and libs with communists lol.

... do you not know who Thalmann is.

Or do you not understand the quoted section is about his opposition to 'socdems and libs' in favor of cheerleading for fascists, just like you?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

i like how you will not let go of the strawman that we are somehow campaigning for trump.

you should actually talk to leftists in good faith instead of this bullshit.

[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works -1 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Whenever you guys stop regurgitating Trump/Putin talking points is when people will stop thinking you are campaigning for Trump. We can only judge you on your actions, and spreading right wing propaganda is what you guys do.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 47 minutes ago)

when did marxism become a right wing ideology? please enlighten me on your infinite lib wisdom.

not like we are on a comm named "pragmatic leftist theory" right??

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

i like how you will not let go of the strawman that we are somehow campaigning for trump.

"I didn't campaign for Trump, I just worked against the anti-fascist coalition candidate!"

When there are only two choices and you work against one, you are supporting the other. I'm sorry if that's too complex for you to parse.

I'm sure you would've insisted that all sides were bad in WW2, and thus sat with your thumb up your ass as the Nazis genocided Europe.

you should actually talk to leftists in good faith instead of this bullshit.

I talk to plenty of good-faith leftists. Tankie fucks like you, on the other hand, can go fuck yourselves.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

anti-fascist coalition candidate

WHAT???? which one????????

you mean the conservative fascist joe biden? the one funding concentration camps for immigrants before it was cool? or the one who massively ramped up genocide in gaza?

please come back to reality.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

WHICH ONE???

Harris. The only one with a chance at victory. The only one with an actual coalition instead of a handful of purity-testers jerking each other off about how wonderful it would be to ensure a fascist victory.

you mean the conservative fascist joe biden? the one funding concentration camps for immigrants before it was cool? or the one who massively ramped up genocide in gaza?

Lord.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Harris.

you mean the actual cop openly saying they would keep up with the genocide? the one the party shoehorned in last minute? this your anti-fascist coalition? 🤡

you are not about to blame me for that clusterfuck are you?

[–] lutehero@piefed.social -2 points 1 day ago

They'll never save me from fascism because I'll never vote for anyone with a D by their name!