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[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You're not kidding about file structure. I haven't got a fucking clue how to do it with phones. Every thing is just "in here somewhere" and it'll pray the search feature can find it when I eventually locate the file browser.

I miss my PC

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Due to circumstances, I've had to emulate more on phones. You very much can figure out the file structure so long at its Android (and 9 times out of 10 shit is just in the download folder). I swear my wife's iPhone is a little black box, though.

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 12 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

IIRC modern iOS ships with a file manager. The black box used to be even worse!

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

iPhone bitch here

Yeah we absolutely have a file manager!

[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 1 points 55 minutes ago

And where might I find the files saved by an application?

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 10 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You're in a virtualized container that only exposes some directories, also those directories are mostly hidden from you, also within this container you generally don't have any permissions to them, and also every application completely obfuscates it's folder access via some file access API.

It's crazy to me how hard consumers got fucked right from the start on phone software and how normalized we are to it.

[–] NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

It's mainly done for security reasons, but yes it is not the most friendly way of doing things.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 hours ago

I agree with you, though… it’s definitely good for the general population as a whole. Tech savvy peeps should have the option to…be, but most folks should not have root access.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 0 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

If it was primarily done for security then it was a massive fucking failure. But I believe that security was a secondary concern.

[–] NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

What reason do you think? Also what makes you think it was a failure? Seems pretty successful to me.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 1 points 53 minutes ago* (last edited 47 minutes ago)

The app store and permission model hasn't stopped malicious code from making it onto users devices. So if security was the concern, I'd say that's a failure. But I think the primary concern was control. Control by manufacturers (And eventually, thereby states) of what people see and do on their phone. Make sure they have to pay for access to features. Easily surveil what they do.

Security is very often the excuse for control.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago

Do yourself a favor and install a FOSS file manager system, if you can / its not too much trouble on your particular phone.

Basicslly every phone OS goes out of their way to make their particular file browsing app batcrap overcomplicated and unintuitive if you want to do anything other than exactly what they want you do do.

Which is usually sync everything on your phone to their cloud and your account.

I am running a sort of jerry rigged, half baked, de goodled android, ... basically I have torn out, replaced or disabled everything I can without root, but left in play store and core g services so i can actually still use it for common apps... done the best I can to lock down everything to its bare minimim privelege set, never use a big ole shared account for anything, everything is a separate, old school email account.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 22 hours ago

I haven’t got a fucking clue how to do it with phones.

In a certain way, probably me neither. I use ls, df, md5sum, cp, mv, rsync, tar, gzip, gpg, vim, touch and mkdir in Termux (terminal emulator for Android). For example, say I am replacing MP3 for FLAC. I really like to keep the timestamps of when I added the specific song, but I can't find any better way than touch -r oldfile.mp3 newfile.flac

But I also use FX File explorer for certain tasks, as it thankfully keeps timestamps. I absolutely hate how moving photos in Google Photos updates the modified timestamp to the date of when the file was moved. Why?
And I also have an ancient version of ES File explorer, version 4.0.2.3. Before it enshittified.

But I am not sure whatever that is installable from within the device, or it's old enough to require adb install --bypass-low-target-sdk-block app.apk like some other old apps I use.

Anyway, I have no idea what's going on with iPhones and files, or whether that's a non-existent concept there.