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Me: My utopic pipe dream for a global downgrade of quality of life in society.
You: Space exploration is productive!
I still don't think you get the premise, and I don't care to keep explaining it to you. I just don't think you can grasp the basic concept here.
None the less to say; you're having a conversation with yourself about some other topic here now. Good luck talking to yourself about that. I was saying we need to pick a lower level of tech and stick to it. It's just a totally different topic to you.
Don't hit reply on this comment please. Please scroll up to your previous comment and reply to that instead. I think your topic is "How to have your cake and eat it too, space rockets edition". Good luck with your mass manufacturing projects.
Yes, we are having two different conversations. I’m talking data-driven ways to cut emissions; you’re pushing a downshift fantasy and lashing out at anyone who mentions trade-offs. I’m debating climate policy; you’re role-playing a civilization downgrade and calling names. I brought numbers; you brought insults, but policy runs on evidence, not ire.
Corporations and greedy whales are using up all our resources and you want to go after scientific exploration. The whole idea is completely insane, and you've proven to be its match. So, yeah, I'll bow out and you can celebrate your little victory while I go focus on changes that move the carbon math. And hey, if you catch someone glaring at you, don't worry, it's probably just your reflection.
Hello Chat GPT please tell me a good cupcake recipe.
I say that because you're back to thinking my pipe dream is actually a "climate policy debate" I swear you're illiterate.
Yeah... we discussed this already. Of course the whole world coming together for a vote to downshift was always a fantasy. You're proof that downshifting is impossible. Too many illiterate "smart people" like you who think it will involve an advanced rocketry program and massive amounts of technological "productivity"...
...you want the downshift that's not a downshift.
Still not getting it are you buddy. The world voting on a lower level of technology to adopt (aka a downshift) was always a fantasy. Yes.... Not sure why you keep bringing that up. We've discussed and agreed that at length now.
What fucking victory? The world coming together to decide only a lower tech was always a fantasy... It was never about holding a "climate policy debate" with you.
I guess I'll celebrate being right about the impossibility of global cooperation that produces a downshift. It's obviously an irrational dream.
Haha, cool... Have fun with that. I'll contact the world leaders when you're done. We'll print some voting forms together. Hahaha.
No, I Understand it's a fantasy. The problem is it's both inconsistent and counterproductive; preserving industry while kneecapping the sciences that generate mitigation tools won't cut emissions, it just blinds us to them.
Someone's fantasy is wrong on the Internet! You're a meme dude.
Also, running certain industries at a minimum level of progress and output whilst completely killing off others would definitely cut emissions.
Anyways your ears are firmly blocked and you're basically saying drastic cuts to Co2 won't cut emissions unless we're monitoring them from orbit.
It's totally stupid "I need a number" to know sciencism. Truly the kind of person who thinks trees don't make a sound when they fall unless there's someone listening with a Db monitor.
Meanwhile your recommendation requires an incredibly high amount of a technological base to what - launch 300 tonnes of Co2 emissions into the air per launch, when weather balloons, ground radar and weather station will suffice.
You're being ridiculous.