I despise Doug Ford in general, but I agree with him on this issue. Someone fighting for their lives does not have the time or expertise to have to be considering what is an "appropriate" response, and should not be required to. Also ACAB.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 weeks ago

The part I disagree with is that he's making political statements before more details are released to the public for us to judge what happened, and that he's misrepresenting what the law is. You don't need to carefully consider appropriateness and pick the perfect action. The 'reasonable' refers to doing what a reasonable person would do in your situation, and not a significant escalation past that.

This interview with a former crown prosecutor dives into it in more depth (around 4:00 minutes in)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7gbMJCW2xY

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works -4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I disagree with Drug Fraud (as I almost always do). The reason being that I abhor the fact we have completely adopted the idea that our "stuff" is worth more than someone's life -- whether it be ours or someone else's.

George Carlin made fun of it, but it's true.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac&pp=0gcJCf8Ao7VqN5tD

[–] vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, same argument back. I'm not exactly a castle doctrine advocate, but if they're breaking into my home they may have decided my stuff is worth more than my life. That's the thing about actually breaking in, it's so far past what society deems acceptable that you can't bet on them not hurting you. I'm not saying a situation like this is acceptable, because end of the day that's what castle doctrine gets to. But you can't put it all on our "stuff", people are also in homes.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

When you catch someone in your house, it's not about your "stuff". It's about someone being in your home and all that threat implies. You have no idea how it's going to end.

[+] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works -8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Riiight. Because there's millions of home invasions that happen in Canada on a daily basis. 🙄

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I've been burglarized, I don't give a shit about the stuff that was stolen, it's being fucking sketched out about thinking someone is going to be in there the next time I walk in. That takes years to go away or you just move.

And that isn't about "possessions". It's about violation.

I'm guessing from your dismissive cuntery that this hasn't happened to you, so why would you understand feeling this way about it, eh?

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works -4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I have been as well. Money stolen once, and the second time I was laid out on the floor with a shot-gun to the back of my head while they took my tv and stereo (way back in the 70's so no computers, etc to take).

Hope that answers your incorrect assumptions, eh.