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The Fairphone 6 no longer feels like a compromise (except in the US) (www.theverge.com)
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[โ€“] cabbage@piefed.social 25 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

/e/OS is a pretty good de-Googled alternative, fully supported. :)

[โ€“] ctry21@sh.itjust.works 14 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I might try it out then. I've heard mixed things on e, something about security patches coming months later than other ROMs, but I see murena claim that they are in line with most android manufacturers, just not as quick as hardened ROMs like graphene. Maybe I'll see this week about swapping over.

[โ€“] cabbage@piefed.social 15 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

A little rant about that, sorry in advance:

The Graphene team seems very busy trash talking /e/OS and Fairphone on social media (at least Mastodon) for not being secure enough.

Their criticism boils down to how nothing except GrapheneOS on a Pixel phone can ever be "secure enough", but they are weirdly aggressive and insistant about it targetting /e/ specifically.

I used to care when I saw their posts as of course I want my phone to be reasonably safe, but the more I looked at it the more it boled down to bullshit.

Furthermore:

  • They insist one should buy a Pixel phone produced by Google - avoiding Google is my #1 priority from the start. Clearly my values don't overlap with theirs
  • They pretend like /e/ is super dangerous because non-0-day exploits can get patched later. Yet /e/ provides software updates for much longer, while in the past all my phones that didn't break right away have immediately stopped receiving updates. Longer software support = more security.
  • Contained apps is not so important if you don't install random bullshit on your phone. I get as much as possible from f-droid, which is very well screened.
  • The communication of the GrapheneOS team around this has been pathetic to the point where I have frankly lost trust in the project. I struggle to trust a team I don't respect. /e/OS was started by the founder of Mandrake Linux, and as far as I've seen he seems to have values that align with mine.
  • I like /e/OS. It lets me avoid companies like Google, block trackers, and just use my phone free of things I hate and cannot control or understand. For me, that is security.
[โ€“] ctry21@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago

Thanks, a good rant is nice to read sometimes. Completely agree on Pixels -- even if I got second hand, they seem so unreliable based on having one in the past and knowing a few that have had one. There seems to be so much toxicity coming from that project.

[โ€“] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 12 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Exactly.

Since /e/OS is not a security-hardened mobile OS, it is targeting standard industry practices. Therefore, for a given release on month N, our current work-flow is to integrate Android security patches from month N-1. As a result, in the worst case, it will take up to 9 weeks to roll out the latest available security updates.In most cases, it will be much sooner.

An exception is made for 0-day exploits: in this case our policy is to build and roll out a patched version of /e/OS as soon as possible.

/e/OS and security updates

[โ€“] zipping1039@piefed.social 15 points 21 hours ago

And based on lineage!