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[–] freddydunningkruger@lemmy.world 29 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (5 children)

This is the most braindead comment I've read here yet. Google search Democratic Party Platform and you'll find a 92 page document covering everything you pretend to be looking for. Now Google the Republican Party platform, and you'll find it's "Whatever Trump wants at any moment'.

You could be complaining out of sheer ignorance, which is a common feature in today's political environment, when a simple Google search has the answers for the 'do your own research' generation, or you are being disingenuous on purpose to push the Both Sides Same narrative.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

Ironically it's a messaging issue. Trump did great with nuh uhing Hillary and just talking up whatever hed do instead rather than saying what it is. The dems need to move to what Bernie did, you scream loudly about what you need done and what the problem is and you tell them that they've been having a hard time.

Ironically yeah, this is an action I would've supported anyone else doing, its just that Trump is so wildly irresponsible and vindictive I suspect hes going to just meddle with the economy on culture war bullshit. Also the whole repealing subsidies that were a great first option before they had the chance to play out

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Who gives a flying fuck what you can google? I would have hard time believing them if they were saying it every day on live TV. Some documents barely tied to any politician without loud commitment is not worth the disk space it is occupying.

[–] freddydunningkruger@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Your commitment to ignorance is impressive.

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

I am not, nor any normal person, is gonna read that 92 page platform. I am commenting about the messaging they are giving to the masses, like it or not orders of magnitude more people see these Gavin tweets then there platform and this is what's informing there view of the democrats, and that view is terrible. They are at a 30 year low in approval rating, even with the unpopularity of trump to play off. What do you think explains this if not shitty messaging? Cause I think we can both agree there platform is nominally better then the Republicans, yet your average person doesn't believe that.

And the Republicans did have a platform, it was project 2025 and it was full of a lot of extremely unpopular shit. Did that stop them from winning all three branches of government? No, because no one reads a platform.

[–] freddydunningkruger@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

So you can't be bothered to read the Democratic Party's platform, their vision, but you have plenty of time to spend leaving excessively long complaints about how they don't have a vision. Gotcha.

[–] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I believe a piece of it that real solutions a)take a long time to come to fruition (often decades - solar power was proped up by subsidies for a generation before it became economical on its own) and b)have costs (eg making housing more broadly affordable makes it a worse investment) and many people aren't going to take that shit. Solutions next year at no cost (or only at a cost to "other" people) or die.

So any politician who proposes real solutions that can work can't get votes. Politicians who propose fantasy solutions get voted in over and over, because even when their solutions don't pan out, "at least they are trying."

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I agree with you that there are certain issues that will require long incremental complex change that is hard to sell to a populace addicted to short simple sound bites. I also believe there are a lot of issues that can be implemented in a congressional term that can be summarized easily, but dems refuse to do them because it would require large systemic change that there donors don't want. Messages like Medicare for all, free childcare, student loan forgiveness all funded by a wealth tax on billionaires. This is a very popular, simple message you can give to the masses while at the same time laying out those long term complex technocratic plans for those who care.

The dems are only giving those technocratic plans though, and it shows as less and less non-college educated people are voting democrat. We can say theyre just stupid sheep but those sheep are a majority of the population and if we don't cater to them, we'll never win another election.

[–] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 34 minutes ago

The examples you give aren't popular enough, in enough right places (since legislative representation is uneven) to get the 60 Senate seats of support required to make them law. At least in part because the donor and lobbying class opposes them as currently framed, but enough voters are swayed by donor-class-funded messaging to prevent voting in sufficient supportive legislators.

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 0 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

These people are bound and determined to not have learned their lesson. Let them hate Gavin like they did Kamala. At this point, I’m curious to see how much shit their side can take in their little anti-good protest for perfect.

[–] SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works -1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

This is the most braindead comment I've read here yet.

OP’s, comment is the most fire comment on this platform.

Stop buying into the propaganda the DNC puts out. The DNC platform can say whatever the fuck it wants they don’t actually do any of it when they get in power. When have they ever actually fought for the things in their party platform?

Fact: Unless you’re 80+ years old, you’ve never seen a Democratic Party like that. 

Ironically, Eisenhower, a Republican was the last administration to do anything approaching what the Democratic Party platform says.  Stop lapping up propaganda and look at reality.