856
Tax Deductions
(lemmy.world)
Source olgaf (very NSFW sex/commedy comics)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 04 Sep 2023
856 points (95.2% liked)
Antiwork
3627 readers
1 users here now
A community for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.
The new place for c/antiwork@lemmy.fmhy.ml
This server is no longer working, and we had to move.
Active stats from all instances
Subscribers: 2.1k
Date Created: June 21, 2023
Library copied from reddit:
The Anti-Work Library 📚
Essential Reads
Start here! These are probably the most talked-about essays on the topic.
- The Abolition of Work by Bob Black (1985) | listen
- On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber (2013) | listen
- In Praise of Idleness by Bertrand Russell (1932) | listen
c/Antiwork Rules
Tap or click to expand
1. Server Main Rules
The main rules of the server will be enforced stringently. https://lemmy.world/
2. No spam or reposts + limit off topic comments
Spamming posts will be removed. Reposts will be removed with the exception of a repost becoming the main hub for discussion on that topic.
Off topic comments that do not pertain to the post at hand may be removed if it is deemed they contribute nothing and/or foster hostility at users. This mostly applies to political and religious debate, but can be applied to other things at the mod’s discretion.
3. Post must have Antiwork/ Work Reform explicitly involved
Post must have Antiwork/Work Reform explicitly involved in some capacity. This can be talking about antiwork, work reform, laws, and ext.
4. Educate don’t attack
No mocking, demeaning, flamebaiting, purposeful antagonizing, trolling, hateful language, false accusation or allegation, or backseat moderating is allowed. Don’t resort to ad hominem attacks against another user or insult other people, examples of violations would be going after the person rather than the stance they take.
If we feel the comment is uncalled for we will remove it. Stay civil and there won’t be problems.
5. No Advertising
Under no circumstance are you allowed to promote or advertise any product or service
6. No factually misleading information
Content that makes claims or implications that can be proven false or misleading will be removed.
7. Headlines
If the title of the post isn’t an original title of the article then the first thing in the body of the post should be an original title written in this format “Original title: {title here}”.
8. Staff Discretion
Staff can take disciplinary action on offenses not listed in the rules when a community member's actions or general conduct creates a negative experience for another player and/or the community.
It is impossible to list every example or variation of the rules. It is also impossible to word everything perfectly. Players are expected to understand the intent of the rules and not attempt to "toe the line" or use loopholes to get around the intent of the rule.
Other Communities
Server status for big servers http://lemmy-status.org/
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
I'm sure this is going to be a level headed rational discussion about taxes by all the knowledgeable skilled tax professionals in lemmy.
I glossed over the tax implications and went straight to the indoctrination of the masses into the ideals of capitalism
I mean on one hand I agree with you. But on the other I don't think you need to be a "tax professional" to have a valid opinion on taxes.
Like I'm sure you express opinions you are not a leafing expert on right?
Actually I try to go out of my way to not have opinions on complicated technical subjects I know nothing about. Tend to defer to whatever the experts' consensus is. It's shocking to me how few people do that.
Edit - lol at the downvotes, thanks for proving my point.
so you don't vote presumably? since every issue you could decide your vote on is obviously highly technical once you drill down into it
And both sides have their own experts on every single topic. What's your point?
There's consensus on climate change which I'm not an expert in so I defer to the opinion of the global scientific community. And there's consensus among doctors and scientists worldwide on vaccines masks etc. That instantly makes it a lot easier to determine which individual or party to vote for.
Tax is really complicated and technical and most people (including the ~90% of accountants who don't work in tax) don't understand it at all. It would be cool if people would be more quiet about their opinions on it since they don't understand the first thing about it.
Sidebar: imagine arguing with a doctor about medicine, a biologist about evolution, a lawyer about law. Never ceases to amaze me how many people have the hubris and audacity to argue with an SME about a technical subject in their own field 🙄
There are experts on both sides of climate change. And the ones on the "it's a hoax" side would obviously beat you in a debate about it. Those ones are likely bought and paid for, but seeing as how you have literally no way of confirming that, by deferring to one side over the other you're making a personal evaluation of the information presented to you as a non-expert. You know, like ordinary people do when they have opinions on things.
You don't need to understand the entire US tax code to have an opinion on tax incentives. Much like you don't have to be an airline pilot to know that a plane crashing isn't a good thing.
No need for debate with the .1% if there's consensus among the other 99.9%. I've never been in space or measured the earth or anything and I'm not Eratosthenes so I can't really prove the earth is a sphere. I defer to the experts who know such things. I bet a sufficiently skilled flat earth debater would "win" a debate with me. Doesn't matter though because I would just walk away saying they're a fucking moron.
Most tax threads are like flat earthers arguing cosmologists.
So if somebody asks you if you'd like to be hit in the head by a brick, you'd presumably answer "I don't know". Unless you happen to have read a study performed by experts on the exact impact to cranial integrity of various sizes of brick?
Or are you a normal person who can synthesise opinions based on existing (but not exhaustive) data?
Does 2 and 2 make 4, or can we not be sure until I first cite some leading light in the pure mathematics space who can back my assertion up? Do I also have to provide the proportion (and on a side note, I'm not really sure how you decide which proportion is "correct", since this problem is entirely recursive) of other mathematicians who agree with them so that you can make a rational judgement on whether to ignore them or not? What's the threshold where you just throw your hands up in the air and proudly claim ignorance?
Similarly, people usually don't have to understand every line of the 2023 US Tax Code to understand that giving people tax deductions for doing a thing incentivizes that thing.
I think you're the one who got hit on the head with a brick if you think that's a good analogy!
This Reddit thread is a great recent example among countless: https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/16aoen5/calls_to_tax_the_superrich_grow_as_economic/
I agree in principle but all the comments in there demonstrate lack of fundamental understanding of all things business/accounting/tax related. We cross post comments from these threads over to r/accounting and tax all the time to laugh at morons who don't know what they're talking about.
It's a good idea to not go around vehemently talking shit expressing strong opinions about technical subjects you know nothing about. I don't know why this is a controversial subject but here we are.
versus
It works as an analogy because the below is exactly as clever a thing to say as the above.
Phrenology is a known pseudoscience debunked by plenty of people smarter than me. I don't need to have an opinion on it because I can and do reasonably rely on the opinions of the experts who debunked it.
The better analogy would be if I sat here arguing FOR phrenology, when I'm not an expert in it, against a neurologist who is presumably far more qualified.
This is a really simple concept and it is dismaying that you still don't understand.
Just so I'm clear, your position is that tax deductions for a behavior don't incentivize that behavior? Making an entity pay less money to do a thing doesn't make them more likely to do that thing? That's your position?
Just answer the damn question, what do you want?? And remember this is all in response to my initial sarcastic comment that this cartoon will lead to level headed reasonable discussion about tax.
The top level comment put it well: this comic is about propaganda not taxes.
Literally even the slightest hint that you're against lobbying in education that results in corporate propaganda being fed to children.
Unfortunately, seeing no issue with tax incentives for that exact thing is a mutually exclusive position to hold.
I HaVe oPiNioNs on tHAt!....
But seriously, I think while admirable, this would be the death of traditional leadership, where there's a heavy reliance on abstraction of deep concepts to make informed decisions for larger entities (government, corporations, non profits, etc.). Make of that what you will.
I'm surprised you think it's the tax deductions that are the issue here.
I don't think they're an issue at all.
You don't think corporations having a hand in what children/teenagers/adults learn because of lobbying and donations is a bad thing?
Nope, I'm a proud grad of Joint Carls Jr and Pizza Hut high and corporations should write the regulations because they know all the ins and outs burgers.
You joke, but Carnegie built thousands of libraries across the country in the early 1900s, many of which are still in use today. Over 100 years later, the government never bothered building their own library.
Let that sink in.
Political contributions are textbook examples of nondeductible expenses. Charity contributions are deductible for all taxpayers to an extent. Private schools can be for-profit businesses and have been for quite some time and sometimes they teach controversial subjects. Not sure what relevance that is though. Seems like you should be angry about education policy, not tax policy.
That thing we've been talking about, you're doing it here.
Do you not understand that giving charitable donations in order to sway public opinion to your side is lobbying?
So again: you don't have any problem with corporate influence over what children learn in schools?
One of the first things to do with complex and nuanced topics is to express them in comics.