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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 67 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Your daily reminder that as a matter of fact, international law means pretty much nothing. It's funny to me that people still keep bringing it up.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It never meant anything to the USA and other imperialists, it is regularly used to justify action against those outside the "international community"

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The thing about justifications is that you can just make them up. There's no international law against hypocrisy.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

International law only springs into existence when it's convenient for the "international community"

[–] bobzer@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You could say that about any law, not just "international".

Look at how laws are applied in your country and you'll probably find them disproportionately applied against the poor over the rich.

We can't just set and forget laws. If you want them enforced justly, you need to be active in your political environment and elect people who will do that.

If you want international law applied to the US, you need to elect politicians who would be willing to push for sanctions against them until they comply.

Or if you're American, vote for politicians who actually respect the international community.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

That's a really naive take TBH, bourgeois "democracies" are designed in such a way that whatever you do, in virtually all cases you can only elect representatives of capital...

Electoralism and reformism are impotent at handling systemic problems and injustises

[–] bobzer@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

I'm not denying the game is rigged, but what's your suggestion?

Skip to violence out of laziness or simply comply in advance?

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Only tangibly related but

All laws are made up, no matter how much your try force authoritarian rule people will always have the the inherent freedom to oppose.

The sooner we realize the natural anarchy of individuals the sooner we can replace build in forced compliance with build in aligned mutual interests.

People who have no interest in “committing wrong” usually don't commit too many wrongs.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If that's how you feel, then all laws mean pretty much nothing. The only reason any of it matters, is if we all agree to abide by them. Technically, anyone can commit any crime, at any time. The rest of us need to hold those people accountable, or as you said...none of it matters.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Laws aren't a matter of public consensus (although public consensus is one way of determining what should be illegal). They're meaningful if men with guns show up and use force against someone who breaks them.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

They're only meaningful if the rest of us allow that to happen.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I mean, if someone ever detains a us service member on behalf of the ICC, the US will literally invade the Netherlands

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act

Invading somebody else's nether lands is certainly on brand for the prick, I'm sure he wouldn't mind having an excuse.