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4e has seen a resurgence among a huge segment of the playerbase that is unsatisfied with 5e's shallowness.
Although I reckon the vast majority of those have never actually played 4e, and only like the romanticization/nostalgic idea of how 4e played. Happens all the time with the gaming community, both tabletop and videogames.
I'll admit - I always liked the concept of it. I read it as a game that tried to ensure that every character class had something/a role in combat (or conflict). That was clever. However, it didn't always quite work. My first time through, I played a Warlord but with a too small group there wasn't any real way I could help move, buff or otherwise help allies so I just felt like a naff fighter.
People are dissatisfied with 5e and instead of trying one of the thousands of other rpgs out there they pick 4e of all things? The mind boggles...
I'm surprised that hasn't lead instead to more people turning towards Pathfinder 2.
was gonna say this. I hated 4 and kept with regular pathfinder but then pathfinder 2 I love as a true upgrade.
@caseyweederman @Aielman15
Keep in mind that a lot of people outside the hobby have never even heard of Pathfinder. Even knowing that there's such a thing as *editions* of D&D is unusual outside the hobby.
In that case... Dear everybody this reaches: Pathfinder 2 was designed to take the best of D&D 3.5 and the genuinely good parts of 4e. Also D&D has such a thing as *editions*.