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Republican Speaker Mike Johnson predicted Monday the federal government shutdown may become the longest in history, saying he “won’t negotiate” with Democrats until they hit pause on their health care demands and reopen.

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[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 37 points 3 days ago (8 children)

As a Canadian who has almost limitless free access to healthcare, I've never understood America's decision to withhold the same from millions of people.

Instead the US spends $1 trillion on war machines.

Make it make sense.

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

it's worse than that, we spend more federal $ on our non-existent healthcare than than spend on the war machine.

our entire federal government has served to line the pockets of big business for many decades at this point

[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It doesn’t make any sense, it’s so fucking stupid. I can’t stand paying a middleman every month who is not a doctor and can just deny me coverage that I need if I go to the wrong hospital or if they don’t agree with something my doctor recommended. All because a significant portion of the populace is too fucking stupid to understand how this is an extremely inefficient system at best and they reduce any argument in favor of changing it to “communism!” which is a word they heard is bad generations ago and never bothered spending two seconds to look up the actual definition ever since.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They'll also just say "muh waiting lists" like that's somehow a worse problem than not getting care at all

[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah, it’s not like we don’t have them too; if I want to make an appointment to see my primary care physician, it’s about a month out; cardiologist is about a month and a half. I’m failing to see the downside to socialized medicine that makes it so much worse than our current system.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

It doesn’t make any sense

a significant portion of the populace is too fucking stupid to understand

You just answered your own question. Welcome to America. It isn't getting smarter anytime soon.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 days ago

Because the hierarchy of society that most politicians support demands employees who are terrified of leaving their exploitative jobs. Money is a powerful motivator, but even more powerful is the health of you and your family.

And at the same time, a very sick citizen does not generate economic benefits to them, so there's no reason to make serious care available and/or not crushingly expensive. Better to drain as much as possible from them before the dead weight succumbs to those pressures than direct any revenue that could given back to "job creators" as tax breaks of subsidies.

It's also why political and media personalities will brag about how quickly the county recovered from COVID. It wasn't an economic miracle, it was sacrificing lives at the altar of capitalism. It went hand in hand with our absurdly disproportionate number of deaths.

Why we don't storm their houses and string them up from lamp posts (or, I suppose, vote them out), I don't know.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because the American theocracy is built around their most holy of books, “Atlas Shrugged.” Greed and selfishness are noble pursuits, and whoever is hurt by them deserves it because they weren’t strong enough to fight back and win.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean, yes but also extremely no. Rand's influence ends about three feet away from those books. The Chicago School of Economics, The Cato Institute, and The Heritage Foundation are the real powerhouses here.

That, plus good ol' racism and the oil crisis of the 70s are why we missed the bus on robust social safety nets. (Boomers were making actual societal change, but then the oil crisis turned a majority of them into conservatives)

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The oil crisis will go down in history as the beginning of the end, where the story of the Late American Republic starts.

All that is left to decide is what chapter follows

[–] BarbedDentalFloss@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

We pay more for healthcare than you do, per capita. It's not that we don't have free healthcare - it's A) that the oligarchs have figured out how to build a money siphoning machine out of our healthcare system and B) that they can use it to enforce social classes.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

It's not that we don't have free healthcare

No, it's exactly that. We do not have free health care. I have what is considered "good" insurance (which I pay a monthly premium for), and I always have to pay some fee or copay whenever I see a doctor for anything other than a well visit. I pay hundreds of dollars a year out of pocket for glasses and contacts, devices I require to safely do things like operate a car, even though that stuff is supposedly "covered" by insurance. Heaven forbid I need any dental work beyond a cleaning, as that would cost me probably hundreds as well. So no. No, we don't have free healthcare, and it's honestly baffling that any American that isn't an oligarch would suggest that we do.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 6 points 3 days ago

Also, we pay more tax money per patient than any other country in the world on top of our monthly premiums, deductibles, and co-pays.

[–] MyOpinion@lemmy.today 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

America is a nation filled with vile evil people.

[–] tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I don't think I'd say it's filled with them. Surely there are only a small portion that actually wanted this to happen.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago
[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

It doesn't make sense but as long as they are given another person to look down on the Americans seem happy.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Make it make sense.

Propaganda + Human Stupidity

We aren't as evolved as people would like to think.