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The fact that people only know third wave ska makes me sad. There’s so much more to it.
https://youtu.be/lLLL1KxpYMA?t=12
I don't know which wave Madness is, I know it's before pop ska, and it fucking rocks.
If you wanna get really old ska check out Toots & The Maytals. They did a ton of songs like “54-46 was my number” that turned into ska standards
If you want to go back even further I recommend
The Skatalites
And
Prince Buster who is the grandaddy of the genre
He wrote that song that Madness covers.
And don't get me started on rock steady.
oh yeah, that song is familiar. Not sure why you didn't link to it :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtGPpYJOFH4
Obviously I'm more into Madness since I'm a complexity and speed addict, but it's still a great source to place my example, and as a part of the history of the genre.
Id love to know what songs youre thinking of when you sat Madness embodies speed and complexity, because i love madness but id never use either of those words to describe them. Maaaayyybe complexity if youre judging by the times and on a sliding scale, but speed i dont get at all.
"I'm more into madness" = I prefer madness over Toots & The Maytals because they are more complex and faster.
Yeah, they're not Archspire, but they're fast enough for more mainstream music.
Also, it's fairly sophisitcated, they have dimished scale and some kind of arabian sounding mode in the song I linked, and the tempo is in the high 100s. (turns out it's 150+ but fucking whatever , feels fast, and changes)
I cant follow the links you posted because youtube is down according to invidious. I didnt mean anything by it though, i was genuinely just curious because i do have quite a few madness songs saved but none of them are especially fast or complex by modern standards so i was wondering if i was missing out on something in their catalogue or if you just meant in comparison to other similar genre artists that came before them.
Does “complexity and speed” mean shred guitarists?
No it means things faster than uptempo and non major minor tonality and non even rhythm.
Just so happens that shred has all those, and I make excuses for things like bach
So who’s your fav? I was a big fan of Satriani and Tony McAlpine 35 years ago.
Obviously Mike Lerner of Behold the Arctopus, hence having Skullgrid as my name. I wrote a LONG ASS post about my favourite shred guitarists that have excellent phrasing , where it's not just a zillion notes a second, but they still do play a zillion notes a second here :
https://lemmy.world/post/32373621/18016464
I will post again in a few days with my favourite "fast as fuck" shredders that have no concept of phrasing for you.
Stop your running around.
Second, the wave in Britain (madness, specials, selector, bad manners, etc.)
Don’t gatekeep, spread the more! Be the change you want to see.
Pressure Drop by Toots & the Maytals
Poor me by Desmond Dekker
They're generally slower than 3rd wave, got a much more chill vibe.
There’s a local ska band just like this. I consider it more like reggae. I prefer the punk energy and fast jangly chords of third wave, but this is still enjoyable.
Yeah, to me it's just different rhythm for a different mood.
I also found out that the Hawaiian ban Pepper just released an album of iconic punk rock songs (offspring, bad religion, etc )in a more Reggae style, creating some kind of ska-like awesome music.
!ska@lemmy.blahaj.zone
I grew up with third wave ska, but can't really get into second and first wave.
I like the speed of thirdwave ska that doesn't seem to be there from previous waves.
Eh, 1st and 2nd wave ska is cool to chill with, I also like some reggae as well. Both are more background music than the main event though.
3rd wave is great for getting pumped, and I actually like ska punk more as in The Interrupters or Rancid.
I don't know where English Beat falls in that, but there's definitely some good skanking at their shows.
Ska peaked with Skibidi tbh.