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Can we stop the overuse and over-generalization of "enshitification" which Doctorow had given very explicit meaning to in regards to social networks? It does not simply mean commoditization which is not quite the same but almost synonymous with 'race to the bottom's in regards of trying to increase revenue while simultaneously decreasing costs.
Edit: I'll admit narrowing to "social networks" is a bit too narrow, but the point still stands that it's for two way platforms where there are "two markets." Phillips Hue does not have a two sided market.
The enshitification of enshitification
to add to this for people that are unsure, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification
There is still value in calling out the exploitation. It might not be as shitty as leveraging different customer pools, but it absolutely is the same exact business mindset that creates enshittification.
I don't think it's wrong to at least associate the two things even if "enshittification" remains more about gearing systems to exploit customers vs basic direct exploitation of customers.
But their entirely different processes. One is exploiting one market vs the other. Here it wouldn't necessarily be exploiting a market, but destroying value of a free service. If you're worried about personal info being the exploitation, it's going to be very limited and likely already in place. An account structure is usually more the first move toward monetizing the service directly and enabling the ability between free and premium services. That's still shitty, but for entirely different reasons. So I just don't like seeing the original word lose all meaning whatsoever beyond its root word. It basically guts it of all of its nuance and importance and just turns it into a noun form of taking something and making it shitty. We don't need to do that.
I don't think they're entirely different. Enshittification is just a specific type. Yes, of course it has distinguishing qualities or we'd be having a totally different convo.
IMO, it's more important to realize enshittification is not a new development! It's just way, WAY more obvious now that the ruling class has allowed effective monopolies to rise again. When only one or two companies control an entire market, their shitty tactics become way, way more obvious and painful for consumers.
It’s a lemmy buzzword that tastes like Reddit’s “play stupid games, win stupid prizes” at this point.
If you do not believe in FAFO as a fundamental truth (even if it is said often) then you might just be dumb.
Don't let annoyed obstinance turn you in to a dummy denying basic facts of reality.
The fuck are you TALKING about?! I made no such claim, you extrapolated some insane bullshit from me saying Lemmy has an overused catchphrase.
It’s obviously a thing that exists and happens all the time, I didn’t deny that but somehow in your eyes me saying “that word is overused here” is saying “all companies are benevolent and have my best interests at heart”!
Shoo.
Calling it a "buzzword" is dismissive of it. Or are you also too stupid to understand subtext?
What part of “Shoo” are you incapable of comprehending?
bahaha truly pathetic
Nah. He called it that, but the word follows grammatical* structure well enough that it can be easily understood and used in a more general sense. "the gradual increase in which something is shit" = "enshitification".
Fits for what he wanted to use it for. Fits for a whole lot more. One cannot gatekeep language. Whatever is the most effective way to transfer a concept from one mind as to be similarly understood in someone else's, ultimately is language.
* maybe not grammar, but you get what I mean
Prescriptive vs. descriptive grammar.
Descriptive grammar describes language, and tries to understand the structure and usage of words and sentences. Prescriptive grammar dictates how it should be used.
Words change. He came up with a really good one and people ran with it. It no longer means what he initially made it to mean. That's how all language in all of the world works.
You're saying that if someone wants to descibe enshittification they need to invent a word for it?
Did you reply to the right guy? That's definitely not what I said.
You said that the definition of enshittification has changed since January, meaning that if someone wanted to describe "the process formerly known as enshittification" they'd presumeably need a new word, right?
I not disagreeing with you that words change over time, I'm just trying to keep up!
No. I hope that answers your question.