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cross-posted from: https://derp.foo/post/250090

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 98 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Why do I need an account for a light bulb?

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 128 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Because a skin sack with an MBA needs their yearly bonus.

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[–] thorbot@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

First time buying an IoT device I take it?

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 52 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If it’s proprietary, it’ll be enshittified as soon as shareholder value demands.

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Can we stop the overuse and over-generalization of "enshitification" which Doctorow had given very explicit meaning to in regards to social networks? It does not simply mean commoditization which is not quite the same but almost synonymous with 'race to the bottom's in regards of trying to increase revenue while simultaneously decreasing costs.

Edit: I'll admit narrowing to "social networks" is a bit too narrow, but the point still stands that it's for two way platforms where there are "two markets." Phillips Hue does not have a two sided market.

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago

The enshitification of enshitification

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (7 children)

There is still value in calling out the exploitation. It might not be as shitty as leveraging different customer pools, but it absolutely is the same exact business mindset that creates enshittification.

I don't think it's wrong to at least associate the two things even if "enshittification" remains more about gearing systems to exploit customers vs basic direct exploitation of customers.

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But their entirely different processes. One is exploiting one market vs the other. Here it wouldn't necessarily be exploiting a market, but destroying value of a free service. If you're worried about personal info being the exploitation, it's going to be very limited and likely already in place. An account structure is usually more the first move toward monetizing the service directly and enabling the ability between free and premium services. That's still shitty, but for entirely different reasons. So I just don't like seeing the original word lose all meaning whatsoever beyond its root word. It basically guts it of all of its nuance and importance and just turns it into a noun form of taking something and making it shitty. We don't need to do that.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't think they're entirely different. Enshittification is just a specific type. Yes, of course it has distinguishing qualities or we'd be having a totally different convo.

IMO, it's more important to realize enshittification is not a new development! It's just way, WAY more obvious now that the ruling class has allowed effective monopolies to rise again. When only one or two companies control an entire market, their shitty tactics become way, way more obvious and painful for consumers.

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[–] WhyIDie@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

to add to this for people that are unsure, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Nah. He called it that, but the word follows grammatical* structure well enough that it can be easily understood and used in a more general sense. "the gradual increase in which something is shit" = "enshitification".

Fits for what he wanted to use it for. Fits for a whole lot more. One cannot gatekeep language. Whatever is the most effective way to transfer a concept from one mind as to be similarly understood in someone else's, ultimately is language.

* maybe not grammar, but you get what I mean

[–] Fungah@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Prescriptive vs. descriptive grammar.

Descriptive grammar describes language, and tries to understand the structure and usage of words and sentences. Prescriptive grammar dictates how it should be used.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Words change. He came up with a really good one and people ran with it. It no longer means what he initially made it to mean. That's how all language in all of the world works.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You're saying that if someone wants to descibe enshittification they need to invent a word for it?

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[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lol next step it will demand your WiFi password to always be online, because why not.

The step afterward you ll have 5 "room light subscription options, offering different service for high demanding customers"

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Didn't amazon want to be able to secretly piggiback on other known WiFi networks of other wifis known to amazon through connected devices, when some users would refuse to connect their decides to their WiFi? I think I remember something like that, but don't know what came of it. Might have just been a nightmare.

[–] acceptable_pumpkin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

It’s called Amazon Sidewalk and it’s still a thing. When you set up any Amazon device, it defaults to on unless you click it off.

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[–] JCreazy@midwest.social 13 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I don't even know why people still use Hue anymore. It's overpriced and zigbee and matter exist.

[–] dan@upvote.au 17 points 2 years ago

Hue uses Zigbee though, doesn't it? In my experience they're the most reliable Zigbee lights with the most consistent light output, and work very well as routers.

[–] thorbot@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I bought 8 hue bulbs for $12 each like 6 years ago and every one of those suckers still work to this day. And the bridge came with the bundle. I just looked up a replacement bulb and its $20 per bulb. If those still last as long as my originals I will happily keep using them. They have worked flawlessly on my homekit schedule and they turn off at 1am and turn on at dusk every day without fail.

[–] PHLAK@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I agree that Hue bulbs are expensive compared to others but they generally are considered some of the best bulbs for color accuracy and build quality. I've considered getting Hue bulbs before but definitely wont be now.

[–] Crow@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Can someone recommend some good alternative zigbee bulbs? I started using sengled but it seems they stopped making zigbee bulbs so they could work closer with Amazon and their ecosystem…

[–] maxprime@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’ve been using ikea bulbs since I started with home automation and have had no issues. Some I connect directly to my Zigbee receiver and others I connect to the dirigera hub which home assistant sees through HomeKit.

[–] Emark@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, ikea lights have been working great for me as well

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 2 points 2 years ago

I replaced my light switches with ZigBee light switches and just use ordinary light bulbs instead. Obviously no dimming or changing color possible, but that's what the nightlights and led strips are for.

[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It sucks. Any other compatible app, free or paid, that let you set routines like alarm clocks and that worth it?

[–] Haui@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Probably home assistant? Thats what I use.

[–] echo64@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

(this is the homeassistant community)

[–] Haui@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 years ago

Whoops. In this case I don’t understand the question.

[–] Chup@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago

The old Hue app still works and I'm also using Hue Essentials, both without any account.

I have a Hue bridge of the 1st generation and a few years ago, the original app was showing pop-ups, that I need to get a new bridge because of the new app that will no longer support my old bridge. So I just kept the old app and the old bridge. Works like a charm all offline.

When I added a motion detector two years ago, the old app didn't find it for setup. That's when I tested the alternative app Hue Essentials and it works just fine offline.

[–] Osiris@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Get a zigbee dongle and add the bulbs to HA directly. For a sunrise alarm I use this Blueprint

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Good that I didn't buy, then.

[–] TimeWalker@lemmy.foxden.party 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Since the Hue bulbs are using the Zigbee standard, you can still safely buy them in the foreseeable future and just connect it with something like SkyConnect, zzh!, Conbee, etc. and use it with Home Assistant

[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago

I was under the impression that the v2 Hue Zigbee was encrypted, and hadn't yet been broken.
Is this still the case?

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Are phillips things reflashable with esphome/tasmota? I'm not a huge fan of tuya, but so fari have been able to reflash/rebrain everything i gave bought from them. It should be a lot easier though :/

[–] llii@feddit.de 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There is no need to reflash them. Thy're zigbee, you can just connect them to a different hub or to a zigbee dongle.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Wait, all of them? Noice.

Though I do have one that’s running a “candle” hue labs program, I wonder if I can replicate that outside the Hue environment.

[–] llii@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago

The special features are hard to replicate. Hue sync won't work for example. That's why I still use the hue hub in addition to a zigbee stick for non-hue lights and switches. But if they want a login I'd rather drop hue sync and just add the lamps to my zigbee stick.

[–] Jakor@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I looked this up a while back. Someone wrote code to try to replicate it in homeassistant on their forums. If I recall correctly, it didn’t work quite as well as the hue version but I haven’t have a chance/reason to try it yet. Maybe someday soon.

[–] vodka@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Not all Philips bulbs actually, only Hue. They have another line called Wiz which uses wifi.

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