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I agree he should be in jail, but this is going to stop him from doing business in New York, where he built his empire and where a huge amount of his business is still done. So this hurts him even though it isn't criminal.
It won't hurt him other than financially and he'll just get loans from various corrupt foreign entities and donations from his cult following to cover it. What are they going to do, slap his wrist harder? 🙄
Hurting him financially is a good thing, isn't it? And not being able to do business in New York is a huge loss to the Trump family business. This isn't a small thing. This means they have to do things like unload Trump Tower. Without making a profit.
In the same way that a slap on the wrist is better than nothing. As I explained above, it's just a temporary setback that he'll recover from quite easily since rich grifters can always get more money.
Yes and no: the main family business is political grifting now, which much more than makes up for the loss
Nope. It specifically says in the article that he gets the money from selling the businesses. Even when you factor in the fine, he's gonna profit from that. Maybe even more than he would from running the companies.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-new-york-judge-finds-business-2023-9
Think I'll take a veteran financial crimes prosecutor for the Manhattan DA's word over yours, sorry.
Again, says it's a death blow for the corporation, not him. Also doesn't say that he doesn't get to profit.
None of what I've said has contradicted anything that she said, so it's not the "either or" situation you're imagining it to be.
Why you seem to think his corporation going under doesn't hurt him at all is beyond me. It's like if Tim Cook became a politician and you claiming that Apple going under because of an antitrust case doesn't hurt Tim Cook. Of course it would. He's built his entire reputation on being a successful businessman.
I'm not saying it doesn't hurt him at all, I'm saying it doesn't hurt him anywhere near enough.
If Tim Cook pivoted to getting many times more of his personal income from political scams than from Apple, then your comparison MIGHT make sense, except even then it would be very far from an apples to apples comparison, pun intended.
He's built his image on PRETENDING to be successful businessman and then pivoting to leader of a Christofascist cult.
He was never good at business (as evidenced by losing a billion dollars total in a decade where every other ultrarich person was profiting like crazy) and he no longer needs the real estate empire.
Considering his debt was $1.3 billion in 2021, I'm pretty sure political donations won't be enough to save him financially.
It's still enough to more than cover the fine in 8 weeks.
Sorry... you're saying he will raise a the same amount in 8 weeks as he did right after the election when everyone was fired up? And not cover all of his expenses but still pay all of his debt?
This is a little silly.
No. I'm saying that he'll raise that and more right after playing the marty, which is getting his cult all riled up. Might take longer than 8 weeks but he's definitely going to get there. Nothing silly about acknowledging that tragic yet inescapable fact of his cult appeal.
Why would he raise more than he raised after the election over this court case? How is he going to raise $1.2 billion on top of all of his expenses, which runs into the tens if not hundreds of millions?
Even if he didn't want to spend it on election expenses, he has a bunch of criminal cases he needs to pay for before he can even think about touching his debt.
So basically, you're claiming that this won't hurt him at all because he'll raise billions of dollars, more than he's ever raised before, when there's absolutely no sign of that happening.
Well, I guess the Trump business should be allowed to continue to operate in New York since this doesn't matter. Not sure why they even had a civil case in the first place.
Over more time and by playing the persecuted martyr. Do try to keep up.
Him being a bad enough businessman to lose that much even while cheating had nothing to do with the case or our discussion about the outcome of it. Please don't move the goalposts.
No, I'm saying it won't hurt him much in the long run. There's a difference.
Again, leave those goalposts alone.
Nobody's said that. Don't start with the strawmen.
You're sorta right: should have been a criminal case in the first place since it was a case about him committing criminal fraud crime, which is not a civil matter.
You absolutely are suggesting that. You're saying this won't hurt him. You're saying he will definitely raise $1.2 billion on top of all of his expenses now that the Trump business is effectively dissolved. So that means there was absolutely no point in dissolving it. Why dissolve it if it does nothing?
I absolutely am not. I'm saying that this won't hurt him MUCH compared to all the shit he's been pulling.
I've said nothing of the kind. You're the one who decided to move the goalposts by bringing up the completely irrelevant 1.2b
Again, not what I'm saying. Do you know how to read, understand and remember words? Because you're sure as fuck not acting like it! 🤦
Ok, if you're going to start hurling insults, this conversation is over. I'm not interested in a Reddit-style flame war.
And I'm not interested in repeatedly defending against a wholly fictional version of what I've said and moved goalposts, so stopping is fine by me. Have the day you deserve.
"Have the day you deserve?" Wow. Yeah, that was warranted over an internet argument. I don't wish you "have the day you deserve." Whatever people who insult over the internet when they wouldn't do that if they were in the same room with that person deserve. I wish you have a good day. Because I don't want people to have bad days.
Well you've made my day worse with your strawmen and your goalpost moving and your stubborn condescension, so why should I wish for yours to be good?
I made your day worse? Seriously? This is the internet. Why are you letting a silly argument about Trump affect your day?
And you should wish for everyone's day to be good even if yours isn't because that's called being a compassionate person.
I still hope you have a good day.
Again, says it's a death blow for the corporation, not him. Also doesn't say that he doesn't get to profit.
None of what I've said has contradicted anything that she said, so it's not the "either or" situation you're imagining it to be.
The fine itself is less than what he raised in 8 weeks to pretend to investigate imaginary election fraud.
I promise you it will. Mar a Lago may be his home, but NY is his 'spiritual home' (if you can compare his lust for money and power to religious fervour).
Trump is incredibly thin-skinned. Being convicted of such large-scale fraud and banned from doing business in NY will be a massive blow to his giant ego. Further, angry people get sloppy and tend to make silly (sillier?) mistakes.
You know what would be a MUCH worse blow to his ego btw?
Several years of community service. Forcing him to be genuinely helpful towards those less fortunate than himself would be much worse for him than prison and would actually have him be a benefit to society for the first time in his miserable hyperprivileged life.
Agreed, but in life we don't always get what we want. I'm taking my usual approach with this trump saga... prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
I get what you're saying, but this is so close to nothing compared to the magnitude of his multiple crimes over the last 40 years or so that it might as well be nothing.
Used to be, but now he despises it and the feeling is mutual.
True, but so was being indicted at all. Hurting his fragile ego is a REALLY low bar when it comes to holding him accountable for his lifetime of crimes.
For which he'll ALSO get a slap on the wrist, if anything.