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Moment Israeli airstrike hits Gaza tower block after Hamas attack – video
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We would not be the social beings that we are without that underlying threat level. Our whole capacity to emphasise and be kind hinges on being able to tell when we crossed a line with others, and for that people have to have lines that can be crossed.
What's inexcusable is not the instinct, we all have it, but pushing people to a point where it breaks through. Be that to get rid of them, or to galvanise the in-group, as fascists do.
You mean like Hamas does with their murder, rape, and parading or civilian corpses?
Like Israel is doing by depriving Gaza of the necessities for life even though they themselves have plenty?
One side is actually doing it out of material desperation, the other out of political convenience, is all I'm saying.
My dislike of the policies of Israel's government is not relevant. Israeli citizens are not currently massacring Palestinians and parading their bodies through the streets.
This is not equal, this terrorism does not help Palestine, and excusing it is disgusting.
I never said it did.
I'm not excusing I'm explaining.
Indeed. As said: On the one side a cat in a corner, on the other someone pinning it down. Who is at fault when claws go flying?
Animals are not human. Human beings have agency. These people chose to be terrorists. There is no excuse, and the victims of their terrorism are not to blame.
Humans are animals, push any of us far enough and you'll see. As said: It's easy to moralise from your desk.
...also, who are you talking about? Cutting off an area's water supply counts as terrorism in my book. Please clarify.
The Hamas charter literally states that their goals are only attainable through jihad. The motivation is not "material desperation" but Israel's destruction. Israel's actions have helped radicalize people toward Hamas but Hamas goals are expressly not self defense.
Hamas is literally fascist, yes. But then you also have to ask why they have an easy time recruiting fighters instead of being a handful of hateful creeps in a nondescript shisha bar. Without all that energy created from desperation, Hamas would have precious little to work with. Heck without Fatah corruption they wouldn't have anything to work with.
The actions of the IDF and the state don't justify mass murder of civilians. All that accomplishes is poking the bear. Israel is oppressive against the people of Palestine but by no means do two wrongs make a right.
I'm not justifying. I'm explaining. And the explanation is that Israel drives Palestinians to desperation and instincts break through. A cornered cat won't care whether it's a bear cornering her she's going to scratch that fucker no matter what.
Also history has shown that not poking that particular bear doesn't make it any friendlier. Frankly speaking at this point the only thing that could get us out of the conundrum, I think, is an Israeli civil war, with the settlers on the losing side.