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Moment Israeli airstrike hits Gaza tower block after Hamas attack – video (www.theguardian.com)

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Israeli airstrikes destroyed a tower block in Gaza City after Hamas militants launched a rocket and air attack on Israel in the early hours of Saturday morning.

The Israeli army launched Operation Iron Swords against Hamas in the Gaza Strip, with Israel's president, Benjamin Netanyahu, saying the country, is 'at war'.

Al Jazeera journalist Youmna El Sayed was reporting live from Gaza the moment the missile struck Palestine Tower behind her.

Sources in Gaza said at least 198 Palestinians were killed in the strikes

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[-] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 68 points 11 months ago

So order of things in this video is wrong. First one is the reporter with explosion behind her. Explosion is suppose to make noise and do no damage. Israel calls this "roof knocking" as it gives warning and time for people to flee. Fifteen minutes later first part of the video happens and building is leveled to the ground. Building destroyed is a communication tower, which as you can expect is the first to go in such situations.

[-] snek@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Are you sure it's a communication tower? If they flattened "Palestine Tower", then that's a mix of commercial and residential apartments. Apparently it had 14 stories and also housed clinics and media agencies.

(Wiki page is in Arabic)

[-] HerzogVonWiesel@sh.itjust.works 47 points 11 months ago

Palestine strikes Israel: 22 dead (huge outcry) Israel strikes Palestine: 200 dead (nobody bats an eye)

Israel is a problematic subject with how imbalanced it is handled in media, resembling more propaganda than anything else.

[-] MicroWave@lemmy.world 82 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Palestine strikes Israel: 22 dead (huge outcry) Israel strikes Palestine: 200 dead (nobody bats an eye)

Source for only 22 dead? Associated Press is reporting at least 250 people were killed and 1,500 wounded in Israel

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-rockets-airstrikes-tel-aviv-11fb98655c256d54ecb5329284fc37d2

[-] VisualBuilder4@feddit.de 49 points 11 months ago

According to the United Nations the number of injured and killed has been in imbalance for over a decade.

No party has been innocent in this conflict but I would lean on the side that retaliation and attacks from israel are far more deadly and damaging than from Palestine.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

Looks like that was updated half an hour before the comment you replied to was made.

And earlier this afternoon 22 was the official count for Israeli deaths, 220ish Palestinians.

So Israel has updated their number, and it looks like Palestine hasn't.

That being said, both sides can pretty much say whatever right now. There's no way to know what it actually is, there's too much chaos for anyone to know.

[-] filister@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

By the time this escalation ends up, the number would be quite disproportional as ever. And I can tell you for certain on which side the civilian casualties would be at least two times higher, as usual and I am pretty certain you can guess too.

Not supporting Hamas or any civilian casualties here on both sides, but what Israel is usually doing is not exactly diffusing the tension and usually it makes things even worse.

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[-] turbonewbe@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

Please explain like I'm 5 : why Israël doesn't go after military/strategic targets instead of destroying city blocks?

[-] Nihilistra@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

Because this was probably a military target.

A lot of militant groups use civilians as human shields to either completly prevent a strike or a least create bad publicity to spin their propaganda.

There were a lot of Israelis taken into Gaza by force, my guess is they are kept in the most important places to create a moral dilemma.

You either attack and kill your own civilians or let the enemy have undisturbed action.

[-] smooth_tea@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Israel and the Occupied Territories: Shielded from scrutiny: IDF violations ... https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/mde151432002en.pdf

Palestinian children tortured, used as shields by Israel: U.N. | Reuters https://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620

I just thought I'd add this to counter the usual one sided view on the matter.

[-] snek@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

A lot of militant groups use civilians as human shields to either completly prevent a strike or a least create bad publicity to spin their propaganda.

I honestly don't know why they do that because Israel clearly doesn't care and will shoot a child or journalist or doctor any day of any hour.

[-] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Gaza doesn't have anything else. It is not a country, it is a concentration camp and it in general is not permitted to have anything resembling an organized self defense.

It makes it easier to bulldoze over their towns on Ramadan and then act shocked when some of them retaliate during your high holiday.

Israel could simply stop settling the land that doesn't belong to them and exterminating Palestinians, and Hamas could stop lashing out and killing Israelis but the only way that happens is if the political leadership of those two selfishly monstrous regimes were to simply all die.

There can be no peace as long as one country is allowed to make another into an apartheid state while they ethnically cleanse the population from land they feel entitled to control.

[-] snek@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Or maybe Israel could use all that money they have to remove the separation walls and allow Palestinians to integrate into society and return lands that settlers recently took. That's a start.

[-] Custodian1623@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Hamas doesn't want to be part of Israeli society. These are not two groups that can co-exist peacefully.

[-] magikmw@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

City blocks are military targets when your goal is to get rid of people living there.

[-] WhyDoesntThisThingWork@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

The correct answer is that Hamas purposely launches these attacks from city block, schools, hospitals, etc which is literally a war crime so when there is retaliation they can cry foul. Don't believe terrorist apologist.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Have you ever looked at a map of Gaza, the place is all civilian infrastructure, they have to operate from inside it there's no other choice the place is completely overpopulated. Which very much makes it not a war crime as the Geneva convention is about avoiding avoidable civilian casualties, not unavoidable ones.

[-] Custodian1623@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Shooting rockets indiscriminately is definitely an avoidable action. They don't have to do it. Unfortunately people do need to defend themselves from Israel but the rockets are just to inflict suffering.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Palestine has all the right in the world to combat an occupying force. What are you going to say next "Ukraine doesn't have to shoot rockets at Russians"?

Then Gaza, in particular, has the right to defend itself against a blockade threatening the wealth, health, and indeed survival of its people. Don't want poor people to fight dirty? Don't oppress them, it's that simple. If Israel ever goes around stopping to do that (probably will require re-animating Rabin) they get the right to complain, but not before.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Let me know when Ukraine bombs civilian hospitals inside Russia or massacres Russian civilians at a music festival.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Let me know when Gaza has surgical strike capability. With the type of rockets they're using you can't really target hospitals because you can't really target them at all, they're ludicrously imprecise. Little better than a potato cannon.

People fight with what they have. The more desperate, the dirtier. It is way too easy to sit in your chair in front of your computer, presumably with a fully stocked fridge, reliable water, sewage, and electricity, technical marvels just a mouse click and next-day delivery away, and make moral judgements about people fighting for sheer survival with little more than sticks and stones.

Do I condone it? Nah. Both sides are invariably assholes, and not everything Hamas does is goal-directed enough to be categorised as "dirty war". There's lots of plain hatred in there. But then that hatred isn't exactly unfounded.

And at that point we're getting to a "If you deny me things, then I will deny you things" territory. The mutual assured destruction instinct: "Sure I may lose but I'll make sure that you lose, too". Eye for an eye. That, yes, means simply inflicting suffering. We're past morals at this point, this is human instinct, or one branch of the genome telling the other "yo, cut it out". It's bigger and way more natural -- in the metal sense -- than the quaint and lofty systems we build in our heads.

...which brings me to why I even replied to your comment: We wouldn't be in that situation, we could make moral judgements we'd actually feel good about, if Israel wasn't tightening thumbscrews to mush levels just to inflict suffering, like the whole water situation in Gaza. And there's no, absolutely no justification for that, as Israelis very much are not struggling for survival themselves.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

We’re past morals at this point, this is human instinct, or one branch of the genome telling the other “yo, cut it out”. It’s bigger and way more natural – in the metal sense – than the quaint and lofty systems we build in our heads.

So... terrorism.

No. That's inexcusable.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

We would not be the social beings that we are without that underlying threat level. Our whole capacity to emphasise and be kind hinges on being able to tell when we crossed a line with others, and for that people have to have lines that can be crossed.

What's inexcusable is not the instinct, we all have it, but pushing people to a point where it breaks through. Be that to get rid of them, or to galvanise the in-group, as fascists do.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

being able to tell when we crossed a line with others

You mean like Hamas does with their murder, rape, and parading or civilian corpses?

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Like Israel is doing by depriving Gaza of the necessities for life even though they themselves have plenty?

One side is actually doing it out of material desperation, the other out of political convenience, is all I'm saying.

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[-] WuTang@lemmy.ninja 9 points 11 months ago

YouTube is actually displaying pro-isreali ads displaying colonized people as terrorists. Without discomfort.

David against Goliath they said at the IDF center behind their joysticks.

We are really in up is down era.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

When you shoot up a music festival then parade the bodies of the civilians you murdered through the streets, you are, in fact, a terrorist.

[-] WuTang@lemmy.ninja 5 points 11 months ago

palestinian == local isralian == colonist

You could bend the reality as much as you can - and pay all the ad campaign on youtube - but by definition, the offenser is pretty well identified.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Yep it is. It's the person murdering and kidnapping civilians, whichever "side" theyre on.

[-] Clown_Tempura@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Turns out people are comfortable with genocide when it's brown people doing the dying.

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