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[-] OrekiWoof@lemmy.ml 55 points 1 year ago

We had these classes and people are still stupid. Your point?

[-] Number1SummerJam@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago

There’s a whole culture in America celebrating carelessness, doing poorly in school, and idolizing people who got successful doing nothing except breaking the rules

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Back in the 80s and 90s this was already a thing. Being a “rebel” and being “too cool for school.” If you did too well at school you were a nerd and that had some social stigma.

Maybe today it is worse with social media and online gaming.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

People are stupid because they didn't (and weren't forced to) learn in these classes.

[-] Syrc@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Oh they were forced, that’s the issue. That ensures knowledge exits your brain as soon as the exam is over.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

That's not learning, that's just memorization.

[-] Syrc@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Oh that’s what you meant, sorry.

But then again, how do you force someone to “learn” and not “memorize”? The way stuff is taught could definitely use improvements, but it’s still very hard to make sure something has actually been learned.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It's very difficult, possibly one of the biggest difficulties facing people. I'm definitely not qualified to give an answer, but we should pay students more and give them more freedom to figure out what works for every child.

[-] Syrc@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

we should pay students more and give them more freedom to figure out what works for every child.

I’m assuming you meant teachers (?)

Anyway yeah, imo one of the biggest issues right now is that you can’t expect one person to teach well to 20+ students simultaneously. My best learning experiences in school have been with small classes, where the teacher could actually focus on people who understood less and ensure everyone got at least the very minimum required from an argument before moving to the following one.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Oops, yeah, meant teachers

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's interesting, and I think we can examine college for an answer actually. I don't remember half the things I was taught in my technical classes. I don't know anything aside from basic calculus anymore. But what I do understand are the underlying concepts, even if I don't know the calculations anymore.

That's what we need to target, somehow. I don't know how though, honestly. You need some sort of repetition, and what at have now doesn't work. Maybe if we tie in more real life examples?

[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

If these classes aren't required then we would have an Idiocracy (even more so than what we currently have)

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

They cheated to get grades.

[-] DreBeast@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

People have always been stupid, but not like this. Not what we have going on today

[-] calavera@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Because internet didn't existed back then to congregate and enable people to say whatever they want.

Before you could be that stupid, but probably would be the only one in your neighborhood so any stupid thoughts would be kept to yourself until you eventually move on, but now if you think earth is shaped like a half eaten donnut, you bet your ass you will find a community of other weirdos with that same belief and they will feed themselves more stupidness and become louder and louder.

Honestly I'm one example myself, when I was a teenager back in the 90s/2000s I really liked those Japanese emo style music(Visual kei), but since no one else around me had ever heard about it and no one was interested on it I had no one to talk about it, then I just moved on, but if it was today I have no idea what kind of creepy teen I would have become, honestly for me it was a blessing haha

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