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[-] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The argument for zoos protecting animals is about allowing regular people to see wild animals up close, allowing to humanize/ empathize with them enough to actually care about protecting the ones still in the wild.

Are zoos perfect? No.

In an ideal world, would zoos exist? No.

Are they the only link that most people ever experience to nature, and especially to nature that doesn't exist within driving distance? Sadly, yes.

And that experience of seeing and empathizing with animals is hugely important to driving funding for conservation movements/ orgs. A water buffalo is just a damp cow in another country for a lot of people, until they actually see one.

Here are some other ways zoos assist in animal conservation:

  • Veterinary medicine research
  • Breeding programs for endangered species
  • Short-term animal rescue and rehabilitation programs/ housing
[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago

I feel like zoos don't help people humanize or empathize with animals. The folks that go are constantly trying to verbally prod or physically poke animals. People knock on the glass and yell at the animals to do something more than just lay around. They typically lay around because they are depressed or tired. So without stats, I can't take it at face value that people are closer to animals because of zoos.

[-] Robin_net@beehaw.org 7 points 11 months ago

While I know anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much, I personally felt a lot of empathy towards the animals when I took my son last year. I think it is hard to read every plaque in front of the exhibits and not be sad. Almost every plaque says something about how the animals exhibited are struggling in the wild due to everything humans do to the planet, and each one gives suggestions on how we can improve the world. I may be a rare case though because I can understand and acknowledge the environmental impact we have as humans, and I actually read the plaques. I think you may be right about the majority of people who go to the zoo, but I do feel like it is effective if people engage with the lessons that zoos try to teach.

[-] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 6 points 11 months ago

That would be nearly impossible to quantify, but research around this area shows that empathizing with animals through accurate understanding of them is important for conservation support.

Research suggests that animal-oriented learning institutions—including zoos, aquariums, sanctuaries, and nature centers—may be uniquely positioned to spark and nurture people's empathy for animals.

Although this research did not definitively identify links between people, animals, empathy, and conservation behaviors, the evidence indicated that developing empathy toward animals can be a powerful way to promote conservation behaviors.

[-] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

Way to ignore the second half

[-] Devi@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

They typically lay around because they are depressed or tired.

That's quite an uneducated viewpoint. Most animals (including us) move a very small part of the day. Finding food, finding mates, etc. Lions will sleep or rest for 21 hours a day. Their active hours tend to be dawn and dusk.

Beyond that, Nobody is physically poking any animals, that's not how zoos work. As someone who worked at a zoo bad behaviour is rare, it happens, but it's dealt with.

[-] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

From the original article

Similarly, an analysis of scientific papers published by AZA member institutions from 1993 to 2013 found that only 7 percent were related to biodiversity conservation.

[...]

On the contrary, most people don’t read the educational plaques at zoos, and according to polls of zoo-goers, most go to spend time with friends or family — to enjoy themselves and be entertained, not to learn about animals and their needs. One study found the level of environmental concern reported by attendees before they entered the zoo was similar to those who were polled at the exits.

[-] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You fell for the rhetorical trick in the first quote. Biodiversity is one tiny aspect of conservation, but they hoped you would conflate that with just meaning the rest aren't about conservation at all. Researching medicine needed to treat animals is conservation, but has nothing to do with biodiversity, as an example.

The article is full of bad-faith interpretations like this.

I didn't talk about people going for education by reading placards, I talked about people experiencing humanization of the animals by seeing them in person.

One study also showed a link between vaccines and autism. There is a study out there for any claim you want to make: reproducing the outcome (and showing a cause) in future studies makes an actual point.

[-] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The study of zoo research output looked at how article were tagged. The conservation tag was biodiversity conservation...

I don't see much point in continuing this conversation. Further, from other responses it appears you are fairly willing to attack other users in comments for trivial things and I would prefer not to be on the receiving end of that

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