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With the House GOP in full meltdown, Democrats could offer a way out
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I don't think Democrats have much to win by throwing Republicans a lifeline here. On the other hand, Democrats do have a whole lot to win by letting Republicans continue to show the world that they can't govern. Let them melt to the ground.
Isn't a lack of actual governing the Republicans goal? Sure they want to pass a bunch of hate legislation, but they're also always happy to grind the government to a halt.
It would be good for the country? Or is it "party before county" with the Democrats also?
I like what everyone else is telling you here. This isn't party over country, you concern-trolling jerk. It's a simple fact. Jim Jordan is a piece of crap and the Repubicans have been slapping Democrats in the face every chance they get. They refuse to compromise with us. They make their decisions based on what will piss us off the most. You have no right to tell us who we should vote for.
We just need 5 Republicans to vote for Jeffries and we're out of this mess. He's a good Speaker candidate. He'll get shit done, and live up to his agreements, unlike your side (and yes, I'm assuming you're a Republican, but that's the side you're standing up for, so whatever). When he negotiates a bipartisan budget deal that includes shit neither side wants, he's going to live up to that deal, unlike your side, which wasn't satisfied with the cuts they extracted in the last negotiation and wanted more. You've proven you're not trustworthy, so why do you dare insist we compromise our principles to bail you out of a mess of your own making. We owe McCarthy jack shit because that's exactly how he treated us.
You want our help? Then put something on the table. Take the fucking Hastert Rule of the fucking table. Power-sharing, bitches. It's time because you can't govern with Team Pepe in your ranks. Live up to your fucking agreements. And this shit better be backed by hard policy BEFORE we give you our help because we know you're a bunch of lying, back-stabbing jerks looking for your next chance to 'own the libs'. I think that hard policy will be backing a Moderate Dem as Speaker. You not willing to do that? Then fuck you, fix your problems your own damn self.
This isn't to educate the MAGAts. It's to counter their BS and propaganda. It's to keep some rando from seeing the MAGAt's thing last, and not seeing some sort of counter basically saying "This guy is shovelling bullshit." Because if you don't counter it, the moderate middle buys it, and now you have to excise it from the BS peddlers. Do you WANT MAGAts to have unfettered and unopposed opportunities to push their bullshit?
Allowing nazis to have any power at all is bad for the country. It would be counter-productive and immoral for normal legislators to support them in any way at all.
When a nazi is doing poorly, you do not assist them. That is suicidal behavior.
I'm done talking with people who call Republicans nazis. It's not productive. It's like talking to Republicans who say "woke agenda".
You mean you're done talking [reality] (https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/gop-popular-front-white-nationalism/)? That you're done talking about the protection of Neo-Nazis and White Nationalists in the military? And about the deep dies Paul Gosar has with Neo-Nazis, Anti-Semites, Islamophobes, and White Nationalists and his sharing of images depicting political violence against Democrats?? Or the guy who insisted that teachers be 'fair' describing Nazism in Indiana Schools? Oh, those sources are biased and just part of the Leftist plan to attack good American Republicans by calling them Nazis, when we all know that Nazis are a Left-Wing party, right? What about Fox News in a rare moment of honesty saying that outright Neo-Nazis, complete with antisemetic rhetoric, and White Supremacists are winning Republican Primaries and running as representatives.
Not all Republicans are Nazis, for sure, but Nazis are voting for Republicans in exchange for their policies and philosophies to gain support in State Houses across the country and in Washington DC. The Right has, as a whole, embraced Trump, who is famously known for retweeting a Mussolini quote and calling it 'very good' when confronted by it. And their goal, honestly, is to completely stop minorities and gays from voting so they can set up, if not a Permanent Republican Majority, then at least a system to block Democrats from making changes until they can steal back power again.
Now, you can take your Concern Trolling and buzz off.
This. THANK YOU.
You might not think it is productive, but it's true for a great deal of the party.
They're openly nazis though lol wtf
Giving Republicans lifelines every single time is how they have learned that they can behave this way. If they keep doing it it will only get even worse. Why is it that the onus is always on Democrats to compromise/fix things, and not the Republicans?
Yep. This feels like another "why won't Obama lead?!!" type of narrative.
So party over country then.
Is it? Doesn’t the Republican Party hold 221 seats in the House? Isn’t it 217 needed to vote in a new speaker for this Congress?
The republicans shouldn’t need any help from democrats to elect a speaker and democrats should be voting against a speaker candidate who they feel would impede meaningful legislation or work against the interests of their constituents.
My take on it is the Republican Party can’t field a realistic candidate because they are trying to please an extreme subset of the party rather than working with democrats to find a middle ground candidate.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure there are reps from the Dem side that will refuse to vote for any nominee who is republican. I just think it’s disingenuous to accuse the minority party as a whole of practicing party over country when the majority party voted out their previous pick for speaker for working with the other party.
Edit:spelling, because I don’t proof read until after I post.
It is - because the GOP can't get their shit together and Democrats don't want to work with them because it's advantageous to them to watch the GOP crash and burn. But the rest of us are stuck with a worsening credit rating because nobody trusts our government to do shit anymore.
I'd like to see them cut a deal that gets some concessions with moderate Republicans. Maybe a group of moderates from both side who can hash out a budget? That sort of thing. it maybe what they're trying to do - they wouldn't advertise it unless it was likely to work. But we should want the parties working together. That's how things are supposed to work.
No. I'll blame each blameworthy party for the things they should be blamed for. I'm no partisan hack.
What should the Democratic Party be blamed for?
Perhaps, just like every other election in the US, the person with the most votes should win. Then I'll bet Republicans could find their asses.