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[-] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 142 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Still waiting for the good guy with a gun they keep repeating

EDIT: OK everyone, yes he was the good guy with a gun. Thanks to everyone for pointing this out

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 116 points 1 year ago

Apparently, the shooter was a firearms instructor. Aka, good guy with a gun turned bad guy with a gun.

This crap will never end until the tools they use to kill are off the streets.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago

Apparently, the shooter was a firearms instructor.

Every gun owner thinks they're a responsible gun owner.

[-] KneeTitts@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not my shocked face!!

...Support for Trump, among other politicians. As shown by the video, Card liked tweets from high-profile conservative figures such as Donald Trump Jnr., Tucker Carlson, Dinesh D'Souza. He also engaged with publications from former house speakers Kevin McCarthy and Jim Jordan, as per the video.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

Probably a "Look down the barrel to make sure there is no bullet in there" type.

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

I think that's the same error in judgement that leads the vast majority of motorists to believe their driving skills are above average. Forgot what it's called.

[-] variaatio@sopuli.xyz 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Which is the key problem. Everyone is a "responsible gun owner" and "good guy with a gun"...... until sometimes they suddenly aren't anymore. At which point your protection is what was person able to keep under normal circumstances aka what they had in their possession on the moment they had a mental snap.

Was it a semi-auto shoot as fast as your finger pulls rifle with potentially hundreds of rounds in quick swap magazines or do they have a manual action hunting rifle or shotgun with fixed magazine, that need to be manually reloaded.

Do they have a pistol with again potentially hundreds of rounds of quick reload ammunition or don't or maybe a target pistol with fixed magazine.

That is why places around the world have magazine and type restrictions, since they exactly know "checking backgrounds isn't fool proof and now amount of background checking helps again sudden newly emerging situation after the checks have been done".

Sure that 5 round moose hunting rifle will absolutely wreck say those 5 people, but one can't exactly run amock shooting around endlessly with moose rifle. Damage limitation. 5 dead people is better situation, than 22 dead people. As cold calculating as that is.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Everyone is a “responsible gun owner” and “good guy with a gun”… until sometimes they suddenly aren’t anymore.

Yeah, and unpopular opinion likely but I think of this similarly to dogs turning on their owners.

And similarly I'd rather have a Yorkshire terrier go crazy on me than a Pitbull.

[-] doppelgangmember@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

cough cough Uvalde cough

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

didn't come because his mother aborted him /s

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Yesterday the right said this WAS a good guy. Just let that sink in.

[-] UnspecificGravity 14 points 1 year ago

This guy is exactly the kind of person that the GOP considers a "good guy with a gun". He is a mentally ill veteran firearms instructor. Sounds like a boilerplate Trump supporter. Exactly who they want to have more guns.

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's even worse, GOP would want this guy to be an elementary school teacher as a "solution" to the school shootings. Broken, selfish, heartless cowards

[-] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

Army vet and gun instructor... This was the good guy

[-] Polar@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

There was a study published from data from the last like.. 10 years, I believe, that show that people with guns are more likely to run away, and people WITHOUT guns, are more likely to jump in and try to stop the shooter.

So ya. These good guys with guns are just pussies that never actually use them for good.

[-] Furedadmins@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Well yeah if they weren't such gigantic cowards they wouldn't buy guns.

[-] Polar@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Ya. I live in Canada, and I've never felt the need to own a gun. We have a TON of hunting guns here, but I think the fact we don't allow open carry, changes the thought process of gun owners here, and we don't see them as weapons to point at other people. They are more so seen as a tool for a hobby, like a fishing rod is used for fishing.

And honestly, if you avoid Toronto, violence in general is really low. Toronto is just.. special.

[-] piradianssquared@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

And honestly, if you avoid Toronto, violence in general is really low. Toronto is just… special.

Toronto isn't even in the top ten most dangerous...

[-] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That might be because people who own guns have had training in how not to get killed.

I'm not sure that saying gun owners should be quicker to shoot people is the right direction.

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago
[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The real question is, of those ≈35 cases where an armed civilian stopped a shooter, how many did the cops then shoot the "good guy with a gun?" I know it's happened, and I think at least twice.

Also 35/thousands is a rounding error.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

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