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What about a cease-fire's particularly pro-hamas? Cease-fire means both directions.
A ceasefire where Hamas gets to keep their hostages is a huge Hamas victory. Advocating for something which gives Hamas a huge victory will be interpreted by some as support for Hamas.
These demonstrations are full of Palestinian flags, without an Israeli one in sight. It's hard to argue against them being partisan
If the goal is not to harm your own hostages, you wouldn't be using bombs, which is real using very heavily right now. It makes a literally no sense.
I don't understand how your comment relates to mine. Do you believe that because I consider a cessation of hostilities where Hamas keeps their hostages a victory for Hamas, that I mean to say that rescuing hostages is the scope of Israel's campaign?
It clearly isn't. Israel intends to destroy Hamas and are appallingly callous about the collateral damage they cause in the process
What's the last cease fire that wasn't broken by regular rocket fire from Gaza?
The Hamas active members can have time to hide and reset for another attack if there is a cease fire. They'll refortify the hospitals and schools they use to hide, as well as gather civilans for shields. They can set up booby traps for a ground invasion into Gaza.
I’m sure they’ve already done all that considering they were the ones that initiated this conflict. They had to have known a ground invasion was likely after attacking Israel.
They’ve been mostly locked in place since 8th October. There’s no way for them to regroup and refortify with Israel dropping bombs on anything which looks like a terrorist. A ceasefire would let them regroup in civilian buildings, which I think we all want to avoid. They have to qualms with using children as human shields, so we need to keep the terrorists pinned down and get away from those children.
Well then, best just carpet bomb all of gaza then right?
How bad do you think Israel is at carpet bombing? Honestly, multiple weeks of carpet bombing, by any modern estimate, should dismantle all of Gaza. That very demonstrably has not happened.
So are they really, really bad at it or are they not attempting it?
Have you not seen the satellite images?
Please re-read my comment lmao. :p
What you want to do is drive hamas out and destroy and fill all the tunnels they made. Then when you start letting people.back in you try and filter out any hamas or pro hamas people. It be kinda like of the usa had a working southern border... or like how the usa and Canada birder works
Oh, I'm sure the goddamn million Palestinians who have just been kicked out of their homes and seen it flattened to the ground will not have any particular ill will against Israel. All of them will be perfectly subservient saints who will offer the other cheek when Israel keeps pouring out settlements in their backyards.
As opposed to the Palestinians who just attacked them ?
What do you think the down side is for the Israelis? They can flatten Gaza and destroy hamas arsenals and under ground network and kill a bunch of them setting back any attacks by years or decades.
Or in your mind they can just not do anything and keep getting attacked. Then each time they do nothing , hamas will get bolder and create larger attacks and take more hostages.
Terrorists come kill your family. You call the police, and someone replies "there's been enough violence." Meanwhile the terrorists continue to advocate for killing your extended family as well as numerous other families, and you know these threats are credible because they continue trying
How sensible is that, to you?
So this is definitely justifying:
while killing 10 times more civilians, babies, kids and women and causing immensely more suffering for the innocents.
You can't be a genius to see that one evil doesn't give you the right or the moral high ground to commit even greater evil.
Demonstrably not happening, as there are aid convoys in south gaza right now.
I think this is really shitty of Egypt, Jordan, etc to do, yes. Israel and the US tried to get them to take refugees. Took forever to even get them to send aid.
The rest is pretty typical of urban combat, so no, not genocide. If you want civilians to not die in an urban warzone, you ask them to leave the warzone. Urban fighting is ludicrously dangerous.
They let a token number of trucks in to give them a talking point... just like you used it now.
70 trucks were let in since October 7th. The UNRWA had something like 200-500 trucks going in daily before the war...
So normally there would have been 11,000 truck deliveries for humanitarian aid in this window, now there are only 70.. 0.6% of need is satisfied, prewar need at that....
All to give you a talking point.
Are you kidding. How many trucks have been allowed. Do you think they are enough?!? We are talking about 2.5 Mln people.
You are writing all this from the comfort of your own house, people there don't have a roof over their heads. You can't even fathom what conditions they are living in. Are they all deserve to suffer?
How many more civilians need to die to condemn Israel? 10K, 20K, 50K, 1M?
It's weird you think Israel is the cause here
I would prefer none of this happen, but Hamas does not value human life. It's truly tragic.
I find it very strange that your inference is that I don't care.
That's easily proven false by simply looking at the efforts they've put in, whether you believe they're sufficient or not (I personally do not).
Meanwhile Hamas literally forces civilians into "martyrdom" at gunpoint.
Your meany words aren't going to hurt my feelings. Let it out, bud. I'm here for you.
What about humanitarian cease fire, claiming that IDF is doing sufficient in this conflict is ridiculous. They are bombing the shit out of Palestine.
Nowhere is safe, the number of fatalities is 8000, not to mention the psychological trauma or the number of injured people, with nowhere to escape. People are trapped and scared, and they are reduced to subhuman beings by the treatment of Israel, who don't have elementary human rights.
You have never ever been subject to such an intense bombardment, nor living in such conditions.
And the worst is that this war won't achieve anything , you can't put people to the corner and not expect that those people will not try to bite you again. Where is your humanity, your empathy with people? Or are you also thinking that all Arabs should be exterminated so that you can live an even more comfortable life?
I don't believe Israel is providing sufficient protection, but a cease-fire is nonsensical and only helps the aggressor.
Your insults won't ever tilt me. I don't lack empathy. I simply accept reality as it is.
Could you point out to me, where exactly I have offended you?
Are you then accepting the fact that Israel is mistreating Palestinians for decades, and is committing a lot of human rights violations? https://www.yesh-din.org/en/ for some perspective.
And are you seriously expecting that after the hostilities end, normal Palestinians would just forget and forgive everything they had been put through and open a new page? It is a bit cynical but I don't think that this offensive would achieve anything but even more radicalization and division. The best way to fight Hamas and organisations like this is to provide long lasting peace and treat your neighbours respectfully.
Hamas is fuelled by hatred and killing a lot of civilians and kids won't help for its eradication.
You can't offend me. I wouldn't worry about that.
Hamas very seriously will not exist within a few months. We can discuss the morality of that, but the reality is that Hamas is not an idea, it is an organization with structured logistics. Dismantling that structure kills Hamas as an organization, even if members of Hamas are still at large.
Remind me in 3 months. I can imagine this would age like fine milk.
The reality is that in 3 months casualties would be 2-3 times higher if not more and Gaza's infrastructure would be even in a more dire situation. And people would be even more polarised, radicalized with no constructive plans how to achieve peace in the long term.
In 3 months the Gazans people will be free from Hamas's boot on their throat. It is my hope that Israel recognizes this opportunity for what it is. I agree they have not done a good job demonstrating that so far.
I would also leave this here:
So to put things into perspective, for 3 straight weeks only 117 trucks carrying humanitarian aid entered the enclave.
Not to mention that the same officials are constantly trying to downplay how grave the situation there is. And today's looting of humanitarian supplies only comes to prove that people there are really desperate!
Yeah, they let the aid trucks in, the bombed the aid after it had been delivered.
This is disgusting and even though I don't know you, I know you're better than this kind of comment.
Innocent people died.
This comment is wholly uncalled for regardless of any mitigating circumstances
I'm sorry if you are offended by facts. You can always take comfort in the fake narratives created by US and European MSM.
Lol
The IDF killed its own citizens on October 7th. This is a statement of fact backed by survivors. So whoever deleted my comment stop censoring the truth please
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/
It's less the factual nature and more the presentation and what is implied.
What do you mean presentation?
Trying to diminish multiple massacres with a story about friendly fire, as if those things are at all the same.
You're a bad person and I'm glad I'll never see you again