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I've never even heard that, which is surprising considering she's ran for president multiple times... Can you provide a link so I can look into that?
Claiming anyone that doesn't like her fell for propaganda doesn't make sense... Pick the best person in the world, someone has a valid reason not to like them.
Clinton has zero charisma and has strong political views that progressives, moderates, and conservatives all hate.
I mean hell, if what you just said about universal healthcare is true, that's enough for lots of Dems and almost all Republicans to not like her...
Unfortunately lots of Dem voters keep electing Dems that don't want to fight for that.
Hillary is abrasive. As you say, zero political charisma. But she is also married to Bill, and he is as smooth a politician as has ever existed. He bleeds charisma. He plays the sexy sax, for goodness sake! The contrast does her no favors. Bill's cheating hurt her politically, as does the fact that they are rarely seen together. It appears that their marriage is loveless and entirely political, which adds to her image as an angry shrew.
And before anyone accuses me of a double-standard, the same would be true for a man. Americans would not elect for President an angry shrew of a man who was publicly cuckolded by his sexy, confident, charismatic wife, either. Obviously, that isn't right or fair, but there you have it. Politics has a certain high school popularity contest flavour to it.
I’d add one thing though. It’s not that Hillary lacks charisma, it’s that hers is of an interpersonal sort. She can negotiate like nobody’s business, and even her enemies speak positively of her as a person if they’ve spent any time dealing with her. But put her in front of a crowd and she’s just terrible at it. She was never going to be president but holy hell would she have made a good president Pro tempore. Heck she’d’ve been great at the job of president she just can’t do the whole getting elected president thing.
And I’d say that dissonance between her charismas really contributes with her ambition to the rumors. Very few people will see her behind closed doors where she shines, they just see someone who struggles to be likable on stage (and yes misogyny and perception play roles here too, but let’s be honest, she’s neither Obama on stage) but then she gets shit done, and makes concessions sure, but that’s part of the job. It’s easy for bad actors to say she’s threatening people instead of just extremely good with a handful of people at a time.
That's a great point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993
It was called Hillarycare by republicans. Pharma and insurance companies lobbied against it and attacked the person in charge… Hillary Clinton.
I highly recommend you watch the documentary on her that’s on Hulu. Even if you ignore what she says, just look at the attacks that were made on her over the decades. You might find a degree of appreciation.
Thanks for the link!
It was exactly what I thought it was, just forcing everyone to be on a plan not a true single payer program.
Also, that link isn't clear on her involvement...
Appparently one of the people involved says Hilary didn't really do anything? She lied and claimed it was her to shield Bill from the political consequences of it failing?