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Hillary has done a lot for the modern Democratic Party.
You know she was one of the first advocates for universal healthcare, right?
The hate for Hillary is the result of a propaganda campaign launched when she was First Lady of Arkansas.
I've never even heard that, which is surprising considering she's ran for president multiple times... Can you provide a link so I can look into that?
Claiming anyone that doesn't like her fell for propaganda doesn't make sense... Pick the best person in the world, someone has a valid reason not to like them.
Clinton has zero charisma and has strong political views that progressives, moderates, and conservatives all hate.
I mean hell, if what you just said about universal healthcare is true, that's enough for lots of Dems and almost all Republicans to not like her...
Unfortunately lots of Dem voters keep electing Dems that don't want to fight for that.
Hillary is abrasive. As you say, zero political charisma. But she is also married to Bill, and he is as smooth a politician as has ever existed. He bleeds charisma. He plays the sexy sax, for goodness sake! The contrast does her no favors. Bill's cheating hurt her politically, as does the fact that they are rarely seen together. It appears that their marriage is loveless and entirely political, which adds to her image as an angry shrew.
And before anyone accuses me of a double-standard, the same would be true for a man. Americans would not elect for President an angry shrew of a man who was publicly cuckolded by his sexy, confident, charismatic wife, either. Obviously, that isn't right or fair, but there you have it. Politics has a certain high school popularity contest flavour to it.
I’d add one thing though. It’s not that Hillary lacks charisma, it’s that hers is of an interpersonal sort. She can negotiate like nobody’s business, and even her enemies speak positively of her as a person if they’ve spent any time dealing with her. But put her in front of a crowd and she’s just terrible at it. She was never going to be president but holy hell would she have made a good president Pro tempore. Heck she’d’ve been great at the job of president she just can’t do the whole getting elected president thing.
And I’d say that dissonance between her charismas really contributes with her ambition to the rumors. Very few people will see her behind closed doors where she shines, they just see someone who struggles to be likable on stage (and yes misogyny and perception play roles here too, but let’s be honest, she’s neither Obama on stage) but then she gets shit done, and makes concessions sure, but that’s part of the job. It’s easy for bad actors to say she’s threatening people instead of just extremely good with a handful of people at a time.
That's a great point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993
It was called Hillarycare by republicans. Pharma and insurance companies lobbied against it and attacked the person in charge… Hillary Clinton.
I highly recommend you watch the documentary on her that’s on Hulu. Even if you ignore what she says, just look at the attacks that were made on her over the decades. You might find a degree of appreciation.
Thanks for the link!
It was exactly what I thought it was, just forcing everyone to be on a plan not a true single payer program.
Also, that link isn't clear on her involvement...
Appparently one of the people involved says Hilary didn't really do anything? She lied and claimed it was her to shield Bill from the political consequences of it failing?
Really, it's difficult to think of any other US politician that has been constantly dragged through the mud for nearly as long as Hillary Clinton. 30+ years of non-stop propaganda... And she still almost beat Trump.
That's a weird thing to brag about considering she helped him win the primary because her team thought he was the easiest R to beat...
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/
She's just always been out of touch with the American voter, and either she had no idea what she was doing, or knew the risk and gambled with the country for personal gain.
Shit like that is why people don't like her. She cares more about personal power than the country.
What personal gain and power? Sounds like you’ve been drinking that right wing kool aid about Hillary being the literal devil
Going down in history forever as the first female US president... Like, you do realize president of the US is a big deal right?
And there's nothing that makes moderate Dems sound more like trumpets than claiming any criticism is "fake news propaganda".
Like, if you can't objectively look at Hilary Clinton and understand some people have valid reasons not to like her....
… So being the right person for a job is a bad thing simply because you’d be the first? Come on.
You haven’t even laid out any valid criticism.
Mate, the first qualification for elected office is getting people to vote for you...
Hillary was so scared of Jeb Bush (a terrible candidate in his own right) that her campaign pumped up lunatics like trump and Ben Carson because they thought she had a chance at beating them.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/
She succeeded at getting trump into the general, but then couldn't even beat him.
So how is she "the right person for the job" when the only chance she had to be president was helping a fucking lunatic make it to the general against her... And then losing to that lunatic
America would have been better off if Hillary had stayed home and we had either Bernie or Jeb Bush as president from 2016-2020 rather than trump.
I don't know why you disagree
What "personal power"?
This woman is literally no longer a person in your eyes. You people have invented this super-villain that just doesn't exist. Come back to reality.
Edit: I'm not even a fan of Hillary Clinton, I've just observed this happen in front of my eyes for decades and it's wild.
I really thought it was obvious, but you're the second to ask...
Being President of the United States of America...
I guess I overestimated people on a politics sub, but I really didn't think I needed elaborate that being a world leader also makes someone personally powerful...
Or that being the first woman to hold that office would make someone remembered for the future of our country. Kids would be learning her name 200 years from now assuming the country still exists. Now at best she'll be a footnote for a decade, likely only mentioned as the person who lost to trump.
I'd feel bad if she also wasn't the main reason Trump was even in the general to begin with
You realize she lost, and will never hold public office again, right?
I'm talking about currently. People acting like she's some kind of puppet master behind the scenes pulling the strings.
Some might call it a... vast right-wing conspiracy.
The propaganda campaign made her seek out Henry Kissinger's endorsement, it's not her fault.