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There's more than just the US that are able to help.
The US is the world's armoury. Sure, there are other nations that could help, but everyone knows it's the US that Kyiv is hoping for
It's actually split almost 50/50 as far as money spent between the US and EU. But, yeah.. it is the US weapons they want.
Right but people kinda expect the guy with the most stuff to do the most in a situation like this. Decades of US arming Europe and when it comes time to do something not much is happening. Sitting on the sidelines while a population is getting attacked with the means to stop it.
Perhaps now folks can see why we were judging European nations so hard for failing to keep up with their NATO obligations. It's a lot more expensive in the end and less effective to be trying to stand up production now.
It's the worst type of I told you so because it involves something that really needs to happen for everyone. I just hope that production picks up and Israel cools down for the spring.
We need sustained and modern shell production moving into the future, not only to replenish current stocks and supply Ukraine now, but to ensure scalable production in future conflicts.
Yeah that isn't the reason why. People screaming about NATO obligations have done a lot of work in weakening it since they are backed by Russia.
And? We're the largest economy in the world. We can and should be helping them.
This. Stop begging the US for money and guns with one side of your mouths while telling us how terrible we are for everything with the other. We are facing some pretty significant issues of our own, and I know that when shit gets bad here, there won't be a single country anywhere that will help us.
You think the US has been sending weapons and money to Ukraine for the last 2yrs out of the kindness of its heart? Fuck no. The US has benefited immensely from the status quo and stands to lose a lot if Russian imperialism is not checked here and now. The only reason the US can even contemplate giving less is because Russia is so fucked from the last 2yrs.
What you see as "begging for money and guns" is just an observation of reality - a small country like Ukraine cannot stand up to a huge one like Russia without support, and it benefits the west greatly to give that support.
US foreign policy is not charitable and never has been.
Also lest we not forget that this is exactly what good relations and alliances are for - to give aid to the one in need because we're stronger together. It stands to reason that those with the most, should also give the most.
Oh and BTW, the EU has given more to Ukraine than the US has.
Huh I didn’t know EU gave more. Link please as my searching has not turned up such a link. Best I’ve seen is 50/50.
Here's one link: https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/
I just googled "ukraine aid eu vs us".
Thank you. I use duck duck go and the results do not give me that appreciate it.
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
I think I speak for a lot of Canadians that when your civil war breaks out, we'll be sending arms and support to whoever is opposing the Trumpists. It may be under the table.
I'll also point out that there was an explicit understanding with the west. Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons (the USSR had a good number based there). In return, the west agreed to back them if Russia tried to annex them. Russia is currently doing exactly that, it's not unreasonable for Ukraine to expect some help.
Is "The West" the US only?
I dont see any problem in saying those with the most give the most. And I don't see any problem in saying even if someone is super generous they can still be criticized.
If I donate my paycheck to the animal shelter and then murder a bunch of people I can't say "it cancels out, you can't criticise me any more!"