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Russians accused of carving swastikas on captured Ukrainians
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It's not about having few civilian casualties, it's about having fewER casualties. Gaza is extremely densely populated and civilian casualties are pretty much unavoidable, but it doesn't mean you have to level entire city blocks or bomb the exact places you tell civilians to go. There's plenty Isreal could do to reduce casualties, they simply won't.
Again, one can absolutely discuss the methods of the IDF. The point here is simply that you can't compare Gaza with Ukraine when it comes to civilian casualties.
You can't compare the actual numbers but you can compare the actions sides take to prevent casualties. Your comment came across as "there's nothing IDF could do to reduce casualties" when the reality is that they could and they just don't.
"Came across"? Right. Then I could say bringing up an unrelated conflict, no matter how terrible, in a discussion about what Russia does comes across as a putinist move.
Sure. The other guy is also an ass for bringing up an unrelated topic, and if you had originally said what you just said we wouldn't be having this discussion. But you chose to continue that unrelated discussion in a way that I've taken as defense of IDF actions. So maybe address what I said instead of deflecting.
Fair enough.
It was never my intention to come across as defensive towards the IDF. I simply wanted to point out why it doesn't make sense to compare civilian casualties between the two conflicts. Me saying a war in Gaza would always result in a lot of civilian casualties didn't mean Israel has done a good job. I'm very sure they could have had quite a lot lower casualties with better tactics, but it would probably still result in high civilian casualties. A war in an area like Gaza will always result in hell on earth.
Meanwhile Russia has every possibility to avoid cities, yet they are still bombing cities pretty much daily despite there being no military activity there. This is again not me defending the IDF. I'm just trying to keep the topic on topic.
You absolutely can and I will.
Try to say the numbers don't matter is just willful ignorance.
Do you think Israel is justified in killing more civilians in 2 months than Russia has killed in 2 years?