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Ukraine has the right to self-defense, and retaliation.
But, that doesn't mean we should believe the propaganda. Nor does it mean that Russia isn't still ultimately at fault, as these strikes are only happening in response to their brutal invasion and air campaign.
Seriously, do you believe Russia when they claim the only civilians killed during their missile barrages are from Ukrainian air defense missiles?
If anything, I assumed this was their ironic "fuck you" press release to mock the way Russia says the same shit every time their missiles hit civilian targets.
Is it possible this was a result of a Russian air defense system? Sure, but too early to take immediate claims as credible.
Ukraine doesn't have a lot to gain by intentionally targeting Russian civilians. They would lose support from the West (because they're not Israel), and they don't have the resources to enact a sustained terror campaign like Russia does.
There are a lot of Ukrainians and sympathisers in Russia. A terror campaign wouldn't be with drones, but strategically placed explosives.
Ukraine isn't treated the same as Israel. Israel can apparently do whatever the hell they want.
I mean, what really makes the claim believable is that if you said "incompetent army" almost everyone would think of the Russian army. It's exactly the level of professionalism I would've expected of them.
Now... yes. A few years ago? No.
This is actually good... and really really bad at the same time. We now know that Russia really isn't a military threat... But... that means that they'll have to fall back to stupid shit like WMDs much faster if something was to actually break out that wasn't just a "3 day special operation" against what amounts to a relatively weak country (no offense to any Ukranians in the room).
I don't really care what is was - Russia is fucking lucky that Ukraine was mostly playing nice so far. They could've made the chechen activities inside Russia during the chechen wars look like amateur hour if they really wanted to - and if we don't give them the type of weapons they need to win in the right quantities, with ability and permission to strike airports they use for bombing and supply runs inside of Russia Ukraine eventually might want to.