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This is absolutely an incel meme. Incel ideology hinges on always placing the blame on something external (often women and genetics) for their problems, never their own actions. If someone were to blame themselves and take responsibility for their own situation, it would by definition not be Involuntary.
How so? Incels blame women for their failures. I blame myself.
I wasn't calling you an Incel.
I posted it to promote one thing and one thing only: giggles from the shitposting meme community.
I'm F30 (if that matters at all), I have a boyfriend, we live together in a stable and happy relationship, we're both social, have lots of friends and boardgames and beer, and occasionally take each other out on dates at nice restaurants. Neither of us is "unattractive" (whatever that means in this context, quite subjective I'd say), and we both laughed our ass off at this meme, it was funny, and gave my brain the giggles. Not everything like this is pushing incel ideology, and neither does anything else on my profile (feel free to check, I guess?).
PS: It's nice to see people giving each other advice for dating here... One funny thing about the meme is that that person in the bottom row might simply "view" themselves that way, or exaggerate the contrast between him and the guy in the upper row. All in all, some people got the laughs, others got nice advice, there was no intention to promote any kind of ideology, so I'd say it's been a good post.
YOU ARE SO CLOSE TO GETTING IT
no one on earth looks like the dude in the image but I see people everyday who genuinely believe that's what they look like and their life is doomed
you can see how someone who is exposed to that mentality regularly would be alarmed to see it appearing on here right?
So... Next time you want me to post it with a trigger warning? I didn't really feel like it needed one, being a meme and all.
And please stop taking to me like this, this patronizing tone is not called for.
I want you to post memes that aren't shitty, that's all. and I wanted there to be at least one comment calling this out for being shitty.
we can agree to disagree on this one. I can appreciate that you laugh at the funny face, but the message genuinely disgusts me.
I apologize for my tone. be well snek
In any case, thanks for pointing it out. Obviously people should be aware that it's a meme that has incel undertones and is likely made by an incel (I found it online and reposted it here... not really anywhere in specific, I think I was duckduckgo'ing something else and this popped up in the results, so not from 4chan or anything like that).
I respect that. I understand that, if seen from the incel lens, this meme looks bad.
Sorry, sadly that's not something that I'll stop doing on Lemmy Shitpost. I recommend you check out Ten Forward, where I post better memes... if you like Star Trek.
You too, TimewornTraveller, may you travel somewhere less cruel than our current era for some time and rest that weariness 😊
I'm not trying to diminish your experience, but it's called "dogwhistling" for a reason. You, being in a secure happy relationship, are unlikely to hear it. But a deeply insecure young man looking to externalize his shame absolutely will. He is the target, not you.
I know you didn't mean harm, and FWIW, this is not my opinion, it's a central tenant to Incel ideology. Here is the exact same "joke" on the Incels wiki.
Right, thanks for pointing out that it would be dogwhistling if I had done it intentionally. I'm not taking it down though, seems like there is sufficient discussion in the comment section about this, plus people seem to think it's more funny than it's offensive.
Meme-style dogwhistling actually relies on unwitting "carrier" intermediaries to spread and normalize the ideology. You see the same technique a lot with anti-trans memes too ("I Sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter" is a common one that gets often repeated by non-transphobes).
By posting, upvoting and laughing, "normies" (emotionally secure people) play into the propagandists hands. A dogwhistle is not just the meme itself, but the entire social scenario around it. The real target of the whistle will see upvotes and laughter as reinforcement that the "unspoken ideas" espoused in it are true (there are a few in this thread).
“I Sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter” to me sounds like it makes fun of made up tumblr genders.
Anyway, I guess I don't see it the way you do. I think it's a lot of over analysis that turns people into censorship/word police. I don't prefer absolute censorship because it puts discussions to death. I'd rather this is out there and talked about rather than removed to be only in corners of the internet where these "incels" would gather alone, further removed from society.
If you think it's problematic, by all means do report it.
Again, this isn't just some arbitrary opinion I hold, it is actual Incel propaganda. You are welcome to spread it wherever you please, I just thought that you might want to be made aware.
Thanks for the details you provided though, it was informative and might affect the next time I post something like this (maybe I'll add some kind of disclaimer or something).
my issue isn't even the blame, it's the delusional self-deprecation