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Hamas has explicitly said they would accept the 1969 borders with no settlers, no IDF presence, and an actual Palestinian state that's not controlled by Israel.
So try again.
The same Hamas whose charter explicitly calls for the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people? Sure.
Go read it. No seriously. Stop letting Israel tell you what it says, and actually go read it.
Here's the link.
They clearly do not like Zionism and would love to have the entire region back. But they lay out their demands for peace pretty clearly.
Also in the linked 2017 charter they state
Which certainly sounds like them wanting to destroy Israel.
They're saying they don't consider the state of Israel to be legal. That does not mean they intend to keep fighting after their demands for a Palestinian state are met. They are very clear about their peace goals and they do not include the dissolution of Israel.
Declare our state legitimate, but also
Your state is illegitimate.
Sounds entirely peaceful and would not lead to further future conflicts.
Sounds like something diplomacy deals with on a daily basis.
And then you look at their original 1988 charter,
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
Where they say…
Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
Or,
“ Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory). “
Well no. Because this charter is meant to supersede that. Just like nobody accuses the US of banning alcohol after having replaced that amendment with one saying alcohol is fine again. Trying to hang the original charter around their neck like an anchor is a propaganda thing meant to prevent them from moderating.
Do we want less violence or more?
Considering they have still been launching rockets at civilian centers not to mention killing innocent Israelis, taking hostages, etc since putting in the new charter, Im not sure I believe them.
Since Israel has been killing civilians at the fastest rate since World War 2, I'm not sure I believe their statements.
But if there's to be peace there must be a good faith effort. And Israel has never shown that.
Neither has Hamas. There are no good guys in this conflict, which is what makes it very difficult.
Hamas stood for election on a moderate platform. But Israel immediately declared war on them. Hamas reduced their demands for peace to an end of the occupation and an actual Palestinian state. Israel scoffed and bombed hospitals because the doctors were political members of Hamas.
They also attempted to take part in the Trump administration negotiations and got locked out. They then waited for Biden, and got nothing.
How long does one keep writing letters before they pick up a musket?
And they have been firing rockets the entire god damn time, so I don’t believe they are moderate at all, sorry
Don't Hamas have a right to defend themselves?
Also, firing rockets at densely populated civilian centers is “defending yourself” LMAO
And bombing hospitals because a Hamas affiliated doctor is? Shooting protest medics?
Hamas is operating at the limits of their capability. Israel is completely capable of small strikes and extractions.
My favorite part is when there have been ceasefires or other attempts at peace, where Hamas says nah and just keeps attacking anyway
That's a product of the media accepting IDF propaganda where they decide the day the war "starts". They kill Palestinians and then act like the war started when Hamas retaliates. According to CNN and the IDF they're allowed to do whatever they they want, but one rocket is a breach of the cease fire.
The double standard is exposed and it's not working anymore.
Same thing with Israel. They will have settlers and soldiers attacking while "at peace" or during negotiations.