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Biden: House Republicans 'walking away from the threat of Russia'
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Are we still pretending Ukraine has any chance of “winning” it’s conflict with Russia?
When we met our obligations they won the logistical war in Crimea and forced Putin to resort to terror bombing civilian targets in central Ukraine. Victory for Ukraine now means the destruction of the Russian state. Russia made it existential so of course the odds are long.
It was fun while the mortar shells lasted but we're completely out of shells and the remains we do have Biden wants to give to israel.
Russia has turned their economy into a war economy and produces like 5 million shells a year now. Meanwhile we can do 500.000.
Also we did a coup in Pakistan to make them sell their shells to Ukraine but now that's also starting to fail.
A great video with top journalist Ryan Grim about the subject
I just saw a video about Pakistan and it didn't seem to be clear the CIA is responsible for this: Why Pakistan Locked Up It's Leader | Hasan Ali | TMR. But I'd be interested in any info to the contrary!
Here's a good article about it
TLDR: Imran Khan wanted to stay neutral on Russia-Ukraine. America said you must pick Ukraine and help them in war. Then America overthrew the government using the IMF and they jailed Khan for some super BS like his marriage not being religiously valid.
The Pakistani people have recently voted against the American backed government even though the government tried to massively rig the elections.
Thanks for the link, holy shit. The TMR interview actually did mention that article but didn't really put it in context.
What is interesting though is that they provide a bit more background to Imran Kahn as a Trump-like populous that got co-opted by the Pakistan military and his own election in 2018 was also quite questionable (previous PM was jailed). Until they had a big falling out ending in riots and mass arrests.
Overall this story reminds me a bit of Patriot... so much shady dealings and then falling flat on their faces, including now failing to properly rig the election lol. I'm not even sure if I should root for Imran Khan here. Hasan Ali describes him as willing to do pretty much anything in the pursuit of power.
But it's scary how precarious all this is and the role of the IMF and US. They get the bailout but have to cut energy subsidies which leads to protests and political instability... I feel like more and more the wheels are coming off in all these meddling affairs around the world.
Khan seems like the democratically elected leader. I'm not too informed and/or going to vouch for his policies, but we can't say
"People should have a democracy and vo... No wait not voting like that! You have to 100% ally with America and can't be neutral on a war!"
Yeah I agree with that. It just seems that either way Pakistan is a long way off a stable democracy.
It's far off a stable democracy...
BECAUSE WE OVERTHREW THE DEMOCRACY!
I mean already in 2018. Of course US meddling goes a long way back.
And you honestly believe the Ukraine has any modicum of a chance at destruction of the Russian state? Are you delusional?
The North Vietnamese had no chance of destroying America, but the Soviets funded the VC and North Vietnamese to tie down American resources and increase internal strife at home. From a purely NATSEC perspective there is no downsides to sending old equipment from storage to Ukraine. Clears out old stock and requires production of modern equipment to replace it. The Republicans would have been all over this 12 years ago.
The only reason why republicans are against this I can imagine are:
You anti-american pro-russian magats are the delusional ones.
He's right on this one, you have no basis for that claim. You can't just call everyone who disagrees with you a magat. Well- obviously you can, but it makes you sound like a jackass.
What in the fuck is a magat?
maga with a t at the end, derogatory term used to describe supporters of donald The John trump
Your presumptions are not doing you any favors, nor are they correct.
You're not adding anything to these threads. You're just shouting "nuh-uh" at everyone.
Who ya voting for in November?
Neither of the old geriatric fucks
Neither of the sub human geriatric pieces of shit
Cool so you're voting for Trump.
Ignore them. The usual Russian troll farm posting on Lemmy.
It’s fascinating how presumptive people on lemmy are
Well, which question do you want me to answer? I don't think I sound delusional. I think you do.
Who said anything about destruction? Their stated goal is to reclaim stolen territory.
Does it matter? Its their right to fight, and in our duty/interest to help
I disagree with both of those (duty/interest) statements, so, yes, it matters.
fuck off
I like how they obv took the time to methodically give all his naysayers one downvote. You are slain!
Edit: ayeeeeeee?! Im slain 2
careful out there!
Wait for it
Duty to defend an avowed ally? Interest because Ukraine is the only country standing in the way of Russia and NATO Art. 5.
Disagree all you want. You're wrong.
So they're not allowed to defend themselves against russia? Lol the fuck are you smoking...
They’re absolutely allowed to, it is neither our duty nor in our interest to continue being an interventionist nation.
If we just let Russia steamroll through and take bites out of Europe with impunity, it's going to be World War Three. Putin won't stop with just Ukraine. He'll try to take everything he thinks he can get.
An honest question - why would he want Europe? The assumptions for why he attacked Ukraine were because of some huge natural gas reserves that were discovered and because the pipeline from Russia to Europe goes thru Ukraine and they are forced to pay transit fees or something like that. The rest of Europe is all Nato and they can legaly attack them from all sides. Wouldn't the decision to open a new front be like the most retarded thing to do?
Some of the countries that he's on the record about wanting are part of NATO and/or the EU. If he tries to take them, it doesn't matter how much of Europe he actually wants to mess with. All of Europe will get involved.
You have fallen so far for the propaganda you actually believe that
What's your news source? Where's your clarity coming from?