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How does the DOD find it acceptable that a corporation is actively profiting from providing infrastructure to the enemy.
Probably because they are not officially the enemy. Hopefully sanctions will be amended to fix this.
After explicitly denying the service to an ally.
Did Elon Musk Turn Off Starlink Access in Crimea To Disrupt Ukrainian Attack?
Tl;dr: No.
More accurate TLDR of the article: He did explicitly deny it to an ally. Ukraine asked for it to be activated in Crimea and he said no.
Whether he should have or not is up to interpretation. He claimed that US sanctions didn't allow it, but another time said he was preventing war. Why he gets to decide at all is ???.
He didn't say he was preventing a war. Those are Isaacson's words, not Elon's. What Elon said is that enabling it would make SpaceX explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation. He also added that if the US government had reached out and told him to enable it he would have done so but they didn't.
TL Actually read it, Yes.
I didn't say he deactivated it.
I said he specifically declined to activate it for Ukraine when requested.
He makes no such qualms about Russia using his service.
The question in the title is: "Did Elon Musk Turn Off Starlink Access in Crimea To Disrupt Ukrainian Attack?"
The answer is no.
Why the fuck are you carrying water for a racist sociopath?
Shit birds of a shit feather...
If you're gonna hate someone, hate them for what they actually did, not for what their detractors want you to think they did.
Modern news media is fucking awash with cleverly worded half truths that are repeated so often, by so many who don't take a moment for critical thought, that they become almost a rallying cry. It's Hunter's Laptop all over again, but aimed at the left.
No, the muskrat really is a piece of shit.
Why tf did you post that article if not to refute the assertion that he denied service? It doesn't matter what the title of the article you posted is if it's a total non-sequitur.
The vast majority of people are under the impression that Elon disabled Starlink there and when someone makes a comment like the one I replied to this is what they're thinking about. The article I linked is there to educate these people. I'd be willing to bet that the person I was replying to was under this same impression aswell but obviously I can't be sure about that. Only he knows.
It's a bit of a non-sequitur though, the context was denying service to an ally not cutting off existing service to Crimea. It's like if someone asked "Have you ever shaken a baby" and you respond "I have never kicked this baby!". Sure, it's good that you haven't kicked a baby, but that's just not the question.
That's an interesting clarification. Never heard about it (and I'm guessing most other people didn't either)
That's how propaganda works.
Absolutely true facts can be published, but simply picking and choosing certain details to withhold completely changes the story.
So pretty much what the vast majority of main stream media news does every day.
careful being so media savvy. you are going to be accused of siding with putin and hamas soon.
In a shocking twist, it turns out the DOD is owned by the corporations.
3 defense contractors in a trenchcoat.
Who is profiting from this exactly? I don't undestand why people keep spreading this disinformation when not a single single article, including the one above, makes no accusations of SpaceX being complicit in it in anyway. The only thing they're being criticized for, or rather questioned about is wether they're doing enough to track the terminals near the front lines and making sure they're not being used by sanctioned parties.
If you actually read the article you'd know that selling Starlink to Russia already is against the sanctions. It does not work in Russia or in the occupied territories. This is why the drone assault on the Crimea failed aswell. Not because Musk disabled Starlink but because it wasn't enabled in the first place.
Is this a rational discussion about what may be actually happening here in reality, or is this a circlejerk where everybody just repeats what we already know, which is that Elon sucks as a person? Let's not become Reddit.
If you actually read what I said rather than what he responded and actually read the link he posted, you'll see that I didn't say he deactivated anything, I said he denied the service for an ally.
Elon explicitly denied to activate starlink in locations requested by Ukraine with a bullshit excuse that that would support war, while now making no qualms of Russia using the service for war.
JFC. This mess where Russian forces are using StarLink is exactly why they didn't want to turn service on in those locations in the first place!
Practically speaking there's no fucking way to tell the difference between two SL terminals; one being used by Russian's and the other by Ukrainian's, when both forces use the same language, are using them for the same things, the terminals are so close to each other, and many of the terminals are being paid for by 3rd parties!
The people that can't see past the end of their nose were pissing their pants over it last summer so Starlink said "Fuck it, you want it? You got it!" and turned the service on in the areas requested by Ukraine.
Now that same group of diaper wearing mouth breathers are shitting themselves because the Russian's are SURPRISE...using Starlink.
Do you want the damn system off? Because that's the ONLY way to guarantee that the Russian's can't use it.
That wasn't my point. I'm just getting sick of seeing "Elon sucks" everywhere with no substance. We fucking get it already. You're preaching to the choir on the fediverse.
Elon sucks
What are you talking about? Are you lost in the thread responding to the wrong person? I made no edits to my comment.
4 hours is how long ago it was made. If it was edited, it would say "edited" on the header, at least it does on Kbin.
Starlink. They sell more groundstations.
So your argument is that it can't be because it is turned off for specific regions.
Starlink works near the front lines because otherwise Ukraine would not be able to use it either. However the front lines are constantly changing and you can't expect anyone to be able to accurately track them at the resolution that would be required for SpaceX to make sure it immediately stops working once you move to the occupied side.
Oh no?! Requiring a multi billion dollar company that literally does rocket science, to actually take measures to not have the Russian military use their infra while invading another country. What a bizarre idea, no way this will be possible for these poor corporations.
Maybe stop acting as if a poor company needs protecting. Most large corporations need a firm boot up their ass. Companies owned and operated under space karen need two!
You do not have a clue about the efforts SpaceX is putting into trying to stop this from happening.
So? We can see the effects and conclude.. not enough.
It is hilarious I'm getting downvoted for stating a multi-billion dollar company should assure a dictatorial regime should not be able to use their infra to commit warcrimes and invade another country.
Space Karen is a douche nozzle. He actively wants to remove worker protections to be able to exploit workers more, questions the need for NATO.. worshipping the billionaire class is not going to help anyone except the billionaires.
You are swimming upstream on this one. People know what they were told by biased headlines on Reddit last summer and they don't want to hear anything else.
What's happening right now with Russian forces using Starlink is precisely why SL had the service disabled in the occupied territories and near the front lines in the first place!
Only dead fish swim with the current.
It's a tough pill to swallow, I give you that. For many people the entire "Elon Musk is Russian asset" narrative is build on this specific event and then any further findings that seem to support this are added on top of it. If a person believing in this narrative would then aknowledge that they were wrong about this one it removes the entire foundation from said belief and it all comes crashing down. It's no wonder that it causes major cognitive dissonance on people and they then do all kinds of mental gymnastics to hold on to their false beliefs.
Musk is an immature asshole with a Billionaire lifestyle. He was still everybody's darling, even while playing an IRL Tony Stark, right up until he started working against the agenda of the TOOLs. (Terminally Online and Outraged Leftists).
I'm neither Republican nor Conservative but dealing with the TOOLs that are clogging up every single Online space is exhausting.