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No they didn't. No primary was rigged.
Elizabeth Warren and Donna brazile disagree
No they don't.
anytime who is unsure which of us is right will look into it.
The fact that you haven't linked to your evidence is enough for everyone to see how little faith you have in your claim.
I am watching the sopranos. but I have faith in the users here.
Some posted a paper below, with the intent that showing a belief in it being rigged is "reasonable," that pretty much clearly concluded the opposite and that the evidence suggests it wasn't rigged. Even going so far as to call it a "myth" that it was rigged.
And people upvoted it, because they were told it supports their claim that it was rigged against Sanders. And these are the people you have "faith" in getting to the right answer. lol
that paper seems more concerned with not undermining the system than finding out with whether the system was undermined. but other replies found the dnc and its members explaining how it was rigged.
Or, maybe, it wasn't rigged and they are just honestly assessing it. Nah. Obviously this was some rigged paper!
Hey, any excuse to ignore the facts when they contradict your beliefs. lol
i sincerely hope anyone woh thinks you are right reads that paper
I like how you're pretending you read it, and this have actual valid criticisms of their methods and conclusions. Rather than the reality that you are just dismissing it out of hand because it doesn't confirm your belief.
from what i understood, they concluded that we shouldn't tell people the 2016 nomination was rigged because it would undermine faith in the system. did i misunderstand that?
Yeah, clearly your "understanding" of their conclusion is based in reality. Why so dishonest? I don't get it.
your accusation of dishonesty is bad faith. i'm engaging entirely with the facts here.
this paper doesn't even acknowledge the role the party finances and other resources played in the nomination process, tilting the results at the polls before many voters even had a chance to voice their preference.
Oh look at all that good hard evidence you are providing. Very convincing. It's not just "forget your hard evidence. Look at my vague accusations that make me suspicious!"
Do you realize that I've had "debates" with Trump supporters that follow virtually the same exact pattern? It's funny how much my fellow Sanders supporters can sound like Trump supporters.
i'm not a sanders supporter. i'm an anarchist.
I apologize. I thought you had said something earlier about supporting Sanders, and when I've had this debate before it's almost always been with another Sanders supporter.
But good on you on not having a horse in the race and still demonstrating confirmation bias.
>Do you realize that I’ve had “debates” with Trump supporters that follow virtually the same exact pattern?
i'm not interested in a debate at all.
Pretty standard response after a failed argument.
more posturing and rhetoric
lol. I provided you are scientific paper studying the election. And it's just posturing and rhetoric. I'm beginning to think this might just be trolling. If so, well done.
>lol
appeal to ridicule
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/sen-elizabeth-warren-says-2016-democratic-primary-was-rigged
https://youtu.be/XBYnJh45WS8?si=WG1P0TiHYLaheVpB
That should be enough, I also linked them to u/EatATaco
Enough to post, but not enough to back up your BS claims. Convenient. Lol
my claims aren't bs.
And yet you don't have the faith to back them up. Lol oh wait, not enough time to back them up...but plenty of time to post over and over again
This is a very lengthy examination of the primaries. It doesn't really conclude anything except that the process in 2016 wasn't as transparent as it usually was and it might be reasonable to think it might have been rigged.
https://scholarship.law.ufl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1062&context=jlpp
I hate shitting on your post because, unlike pretty much every other response to me, you actually offered up some evidence to back up your claim.
However, it also demonstrates my point.
From the conclusion in your link.
They point out very clearly that not only is there no evidence it was rigged, but a lot of evidence that suggests it likely was not rigged. Literally it outright calls it a myth. It doesn't, at all, as you say, conclude that it "might be reasonable to think it might have been rigged."
Not a single person who upvoted your post actually read the linked piece. You just claimed it supported your point, and thus they all just believe it did and upvoted it. And I bet all of these people likewise shit on Trump supporters for claiming fraud despite the evidence to the contrary.
But I do appreciate the link, and I thank you for giving it to me, because I'm going to keep it in my back pocket for the inevitable next time someone falsely claims the nomination was rigged.
The Clintons outright took control of the DNC, hardly conductive to a fair primaries.
Other D’s ageee
They further gave unfair advantages to benefit Hillary
The leaks show the DNC was weaponised against Bernie, they colluded together to find ways to smear his campaign, even suggesting antisemitism.
Etc etc etc. I’ve done this song and dance a million times with you people and if I was still on Reddit I’d go back and find my long perfectly sourced post that I’d trot out every time.
You’d end up saying “wahhh it’s not technically illegal so it doesn’t matter” and I’d go on with my day not wasting any further time. So enjoy me randomly copying stuff from the first 3 links I clicked on Google, you can be a big boy and go search those exact quotes to find the corresponding pages I got them from if you want to read more.
tl;dr: Hacked emails and admissions from DNC chairpeople all point to the same thing, the DNC was rigged to give Hillary an unfair advantage over everyone else. Democracy was subverted through this bias, and as such we will never know how Bernie would’ve failed.
What we do know is that Hillary tried her best to game the system and lost. So it’s not like Bernie could have done any worse.
I guess I'm a proof is in the pudding guy. You've not provided any proof, just a lot of reason to be suspicious. This goes exactly like my debates with Trump supporters when it comes to the 2020 election "Well, I believe I have a lot of reasons to be suspicious, so it's reasonable for me to call it rigged." In both cases, the evidence does not back up the claim.
If the claim is that the DNC did some improper things during the 2016 democratic nomination and showed a bias against Sanders, I absolutely agree. If the claim is that they rigged it, sorry, my man, but that's just as fictional as the MAGA claims of 2020 election fraud.
I'm mostly copy-pasting this from another post I made, where someone graciously gave me a link that pretty much completely dispels the myth of rigging the 2016 (ironically, they were providing the link to make it seem reasonable to believe it was rigged).
https://scholarship.law.ufl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1062&context=jlpp
From the link:
Don't put words in my mouth, you'll just make a fool of yourself. Although, I'm curious how you are going to spin and deny an actual analysis of the vote showing that it being rigged was extremely unlikely. Just like Trump supporters, you'll just keep on going believing what you want to believe, facts be damned. You're not the only one who has done this dance a million times. The difference between you is that I put the facts above my desire, and once they showed that it wasn't true, I stopped believing it.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/sen-elizabeth-warren-says-2016-democratic-primary-was-rigged
https://youtu.be/XBYnJh45WS8?si=WG1P0TiHYLaheVpB
And Donna Brazille says there is "no evidence" the primaries were rigged. Making the statement clearly false.
Hell, she also thought that "I don't think [Warren] meant the word 'rigged.'"
Per your source. Brazile isn't willing to go as far as Warren, but she didn't invalidate shit. The DNC pulled some shady shit and no amount of whitewashing by disingenuous parties such as yourself will change those facts.
She expressly and explicitly said it wasn't rigged. Saying it's "dishonest" to point to this when someone claims she would agree it's "rigged" doesn't make any sense. Additionally, I never said there was no right to be suspicious. I was suspicious when all this came out at first. But the facts have since made clear that the nomination was not rigged. So I dropped my suspicion. This is how it should work.
If the argument is that things should change with the process, and that it creates a huge conflict of interest that Clinton controlled the finances, I'm 100% on board. But then we should be having a rational discussion about what we objectively know to be true and what needs to change, rather than making up BS that it was rigged against Sanders and going from there. If we don't start from a place of facts, the outcome won't be any good. As they say: Garbage in, garbage out.
As this paper points out: