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[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 9 months ago

i'm 24 and a proud conservative: i want to replace all highways with railways and interurban tramways, return to having small dense cities surrounded by lively rurality, dissolve large corporations and replace them with small local businesses, and bring back that thing where we went "hey the slightly insane guy who never works is living in a shack that barely qualifies as shelter, let's build him a new cottage so he has a proper place to live, because everyone has a fundamental right to housing no matter what."

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 72 points 9 months ago

Conservative literally means to conserve. To not change the way things are.

You wanting change means you are progressive.

[-] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 months ago

The poster would like to revert to a time of more progressive economic policies and conserve it. 😏😆 In the US, it’s a funny dichotomy that the progressives are fighting for things which were lost.

The US had everything the poster points out at one time. It’s just been dismantled over the years in the name of progress.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Ah. Thanks. The comment makes much more sense now.

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[-] frank@sopuli.xyz 49 points 9 months ago

I don't understand how those world views can identify and (you didn't say this, so hopefully not) vote conservative in US these days

[-] hanekam@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago

He's making light of how twisted the US understanding of the word "conservative" has become.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

If conservatives actually governed the way they should they’d be easier to vote for. Small government, cutting spending, actually legislating to support rural Americans with things like good education and affordable health care…etc.

But they’re pretty much the opposite of all that.

[-] hanekam@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

That's the point. The Republican party isn't conservative at all, but radical. They've abandoned most conservative political positions, including orthodox fiscal management, and exchanged conservative values for a constructed collection of 'traditional values', which are derived less from tradition than from the endless grievances that have replaced policy as their political program

[-] flerp@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Is there evidence that conservatism was ever that anywhere though? Because those are the things that current conservatives SAY but never what they DO. Is there any evidence of conservatives actually doing those things because as far as I have seen it has always been lip service, sleight of hand. I'm open to examples to change my mind.

[-] Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago

Afaik someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the Democratic party used to be the fiscal conservative party in the 1800s

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

You're correct. Teddy Roosevelt, one of the most progressive Presidents in history, was on the Republican ticket against Taft in 1912. I cannot fathom having had the ability to vote for Teddy, and voting for either Taft or Wilson.

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[-] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Maybe they hate women and women's rights, loves Jesus and thinks priests raping little boys is OK

Also cowboy boots and Stetson yeehaw

[-] CptEnder@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago

Lmao my mans rode the political merry-go-round and came out the opposite side full on Marxist. Welcome to the club brother, we got dope ass flags and mad pamphlets.

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[-] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

what you just said means you are not a conservative...

a conservative would want to keep the highway system the way it is, take more money away from its maintenance bugdet if anything. a conservative would never want to dissolve large businesses. a conservative would not give a crap about what you're using as shelter, and certainly wouldn't believe that access to housing is a basic human right.

You're a lot more left than you realize. you might even be socialist. do you believe that the workers of a company should be given the profit that company enjoys, or should it all go to the shirts at the top? Do you believe that the working class should never be disarmed, and any attempt to disarm the working class should be disrupted?

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 9 months ago

yes, very aware of that, as i am in fact an anarchist syndicalist.

the point is to make fun of how modern conservatives have nothing they want to conserve other than their racial purity and personal wealth.

i would very much like to reclaim the term conservative for opinions that are ACTUALLY conservative, such as ending the suburban experiment and the neoliberal pursuit of wealth above actual happiness and social stability.

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

You just described all the things that conservatives have worked hard to stop from happening every time they've been in power. The only political ideology that actively wants to house the homeless, build robust public transport, moves to small towns and boycotts large corporations to support small business are deep to far left.

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

The Japanese conservatives built one of the world's best public transport systems, constructed entire towns for workers and are now pushing people to move to small towns. (They're still owned by the corporations, though.)

[-] I_Clean_Here@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

Your motivation in thinking these changes are the right ones is not conservative, I imagine. You probably think about the future, how things could be better, not based on some traditional values or because you remember how things were vaguely "better" in the past.

Sorry to break it to you, you are progressive.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

it's almost amazing how many people had the point sail over their heads, i'm very much progressive :)

i look at the past, see it was in many ways pretty good, look at the present, see it's pretty fucking miserable in those same ways, and then the obvious conclusion is that maybe people in the past did some stuff right, such as enjoying the sociopolitical benefits of public transport and workers' rights.

then i see people call themselves conservative and just advocate making things WORSE, and i'm filled with an intense desire to wallop them with wet day-old fish.

[-] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 24 points 9 months ago

Sir or madam, you are absolutely nailing a closeted progressive affection.

[-] Colonel_Panic_@lemm.ee 22 points 9 months ago

You said you are a proud conservative and then proceeded to list off things that are completely antithetical to it. I am so confused. Everything you said is progressive, socialist, leftist, not at all conservative. Conservatives want things to stay as they are, to not progress, to not change. I.E. This system is working (for me) so let's keep it. Progressives say things aren't working (for everyone) so we should attempt to make it better for us all instead of a few people having everything and most people having little.

I mean this in the kindest most supportive way possible. You may want to do some introspection and comparisons with what you want to happen and what the political parties are pushing for. You may find you are anything but conservative or you may find you actually are conservative and you really don't want those things you said.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 9 months ago

it's a half-joke on how conservatism has become a parody of itself these days, and isn't actually really conservative in any real way.

[-] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

It was originally about maintaining an aristocracy and it is still is to this day.

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[-] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Maybe they hate the gays and don't want women to vote 🤷‍♂️

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 20 points 9 months ago

and bring back that thing where we went “hey the slightly insane guy who never works is living in a shack that barely qualifies as shelter, let’s build him a new cottage so he has a proper place to live, because everyone has a fundamental right to housing no matter what.”

This never existed. Not since capitalism at least.

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[-] Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago

That's liberal. Far left liberal in fact.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Liberals would be against "government interventionism" such as getting rid of large corporations or taxing to then spend that money on public transportion.

Modern liberalism is not at all aligned with the Left on the Economic space, only on the non-Economic, personal freedoms, one.

Granted, big picture thinking would eventually end up concluding that differentiated treatment depending on wealth together with wealth inequality in overall reduces individual freedom (a few are freer to do what they want but the many are less free) which would end up aligning at least some liberals with leftwing thinking, but sadly that's not what liberalism is nowadays.

[-] Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sorry I'm from Canada and we have an actual political system still and not a charade. Trust me everywhere outside of the U.S liberal still means progressive. Your 'liberal' centrism is unique. We call that conservative.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'm in Europe and I'm making my comment mainly based on my experience with the British Liberals (both the overt ones - the Liberal Party - and the less overt ones - New Labour) as I lived in Britain for over a decade and was even involved in politics there.

Next to the traditional Left in most of Europe, Liberalism isn't at all Left: it's just Neoliberalism with an Pro-Equality But Not The Economic Kind coat of paint to make it seem left of center.

You do get elements of liberalism within leftwing parties in Europe, but they're not liberal in the full sense, probably because of the contradiction I pointed out in my first post (that on the economic side, complete freedom for money results in quality of life going down for most people, which goes directly against the leftwing principle of "the greatest good for the greatest number").

It's not by chance that Liberals constantly talk about what's good for businesses or for the Economy in absolute terms (if it's good for those, then it's overall good) whilst not everything that's "good for businesses or the Economy" is actually good for people: businesses and the Economy are at most a means to an end for democratic lefties (in that they can make life better for most people and must be regulated to stop them from doing the opposite), not an end in itself.

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[-] ClamDrinker@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

The joke really flew over a lot of people's head huh.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 9 months ago

seems so, though to be fair it's only a half-joke as i do feel people could totally reclaim the conservative moniker for something actually good and actually conservative.

[-] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

None of the positions you listed are conservative. Do you hate immigrants or something?

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 9 months ago

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