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This is mental illness by now! Seriously wtf? Why is this so important for her that she can't stop talking about it? If I had some irrational hate for trans woman, I would not go on about it in public all the time.
Don't we have more important problems then to bash people that are so unhappy with their body that they are willing to take hormones and let people operate on their genitals?
This is such a simple thought, everybody should be able to think it, right? But on the other hand, she is not the only one hating transgender women or men. I mean it is not right to hate people for that. But if I would hate trans people then I would just not invite them for dinner and would stop talking about them all the time.
It must be some form of mental illness I have no other explanation.
Except her problem doesn't seem to be with people having bodily autonomy, her problem seems to be with trans women in what should be safe spaces for women.
I'm not saying I agree with her views, but it seems all nuance has been lost from public debate.
She is so lost in her own transphobia, that she now hangs out and financially support people who are not only transphobic but openly homophobic, conservative, misogynistic and fascist, things i still believe she is against. But she is so blinded by hate that she is willing to ignore all those things to support transphobia
Hitler's problem with Jews seemed to be was what should be done about them destroying the German economy.
I'm not saying I agree with his views, but it seems all nuance has been lost from public debate.
Ah, at last. Godwin's Law.
Believe it or not, "Godwin's Law" doesn't mean "no one should ever mention Hitler during a discussion."
https://gizmodo.com/godwin-of-godwins-law-by-all-means-compare-these-shi-1797807646
Also, Rowling is a holocaust denier. https://www.salon.com/2024/03/15/jk-rowling-trans-nazis-holocaust-denial/
Should Hitler not be brought up when people defend a holocaust denier?
I know what it means. And, by all means, people can and should talk about Hitler and the Nazis in their historical context. WW2 was the defining conflict of the 20th century, after all. But you used it in the reductio ad Hitlerum sense. It's just so boring to constantly see every Lemmy thread devolve into calling people Nazis or comparing them to Nazis, which is just the former with an extra step. It becomes meaningless after a while. So, when we are faced with an actual proto-fascist like Trump, the comparison has been exhausted and has little impact.
Not a reduction at all. The beginning of the Holocaust was when the Nazis destroyed the Institute for Sexual Research and burned all the books. I used Jews as an example rather than that because people were making the same "he's keeping Germany safe" argument about Hitler persecuting the Jews that the person above is making about "they're keeping women safe." And I would not be at all surprised if they made the "they're keeping women safe" argument about persecuting trans people then too.
It is encouraging genocide while defending someone who denied the Holocaust.
Why you think that is a reduction, I don't know. It seems like a pretty close 1:1 comparison with Germany in 1933 to me.
Hitler didn't start the death camps the second he came to power. You know that, right?
Well, comparing JK Rowling to Hitler and her fear of tran women to the Holocaust might be just a wee bit of exaggeration, eh? The purpose of citing Godwin's Law is to remind people to step back and ask whether the person being discussed is actually similar in magnitude to Hitler and the Nazis.
I was comparing the excuse of her bigotry to the same excuses given to Nazis and it led to horrors. Horrors that are happening again and which she is fomenting.
I compared her to the Nazi ideology she supports and her supporters to the appeasers that excused the Nazis in the 1930s.
I will not apologize for calling a Nazi a Nazi. If you think you have to subscribe to every single thing the Nazis believed in to be called a Nazi, you're wrong.
Is she Hitler? No, because she's not a world leader. Would she do the same things he did to trans people, especially women, if she were? Of that I have little doubt.
Think like a Nazi, I'm going to call you a Nazi. Excuse a Nazi and I'm going to point it out.
She isn't a Nazi, though. That's the point.
She subscribes to Nazi ideology. Specifically the classifying of trans people as sub humans and demonizing them as a danger to public safety.
It quacks like a duck. You seem to think Nazi = killing people. It doesn't. She supports a genocide. That's all it takes.
Again, Hitler didn't open the camps on day one to anyone but political opponents.
This seems more about you liking Rowling and not wanting to admit what she's doing.
Once again, a transgender genocide is going on right now. She is supporting it. If you deny that genocide is happening, or worse, claiming she has a point like the person I responded to, you're supporting Nazi ideology too.
Maybe the issue is that you agree with her that trans people are a danger to society?
It quacks like a duck. You seem to think Nazi = killing people. It doesn't.
She supports a genocide. That's all it takes.
Again, Hitler didn't open the camps on day one to anyone but political opponents.
This seems more about you liking Rowling and not wanting to admit what she's doing.
Once again, a transgender genocide is going on right now.
She is supporting it. If you deny that genocide is happening, or worse, claiming she has a point like the person I responded to, you're supporting Nazi ideology too.
Maybe the issue is that you agree with her that trans people are a danger to society?
Do you ever make valid arguments, or is your mouth just a fire hose of irrationality?
Ah, so you deny there's a transgender genocide going on right now despite my showing you very clearly that it is, in fact, happening right now.
Guess I know why you're also denying that a Nazi is a Nazi.
You would have saved a lot of time if you had just started this by telling me that you agree with Rowling.
I don't agree with Rowling's concerns about transgender people. They are no threat to me or the larger society. I also don't think there is a transgender genocide going on. Again, reductio ad absurdum. Does that make me a Nazi? Again, who knew the bar was so low on Nazism?
It's hard to take you seriously when your argument is just a long string of logical fallacies, as I pointed out in detail.
Yes, I know you are denying a very real genocide. You've already made that clear.
Here is a lot more information about it for you and your fellow travelers, which is what you are, and the Nazis you support to claim isn't happening:
https://www.lemkininstitute.com/statements-new-page/statement-on-the-genocidal-nature-of-the-gender-critical-movement%E2%80%99s-ideology-and-practice
https://theintercept.com/2023/05/04/texas-republicans-anti-trans/
https://huntnewsnu.com/71052/city-pulse/hundreds-protest-trans-genocide-in-transgender-day-of-resistance-march/
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/muhammad-cartoon-controversy-transgender-genocide-and-tobogganing-bans-1.2906924/the-quiet-genocide-against-the-transgender-community-1.2906927
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cpac-speaker-transgender-people-eradicated-1234690924/
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/is-the-conservative-daily-wire-really-calling-for-trans-genocide/
https://thefordhamram.com/90672/opinion/state-sponsored-trans-violence-is-genocide/
I can keep going, but I doubt you'll read more than a sentence or two of one single link, if that.
But please do continue to explain how it isn't hyperbolic to compare genocide denail to the Nazis.
Look, I disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure you aren't Hitler. But you should still try to get a grip on reality.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law#/media/File%3AGodwin's_law_t-shirt_at_Rally_to_restore_sanity%2C_2010.jpg
Cool. I never said disagreeing with someone makes them Hitler, so that's not even remotely relevant.
I said denying this genocide, especially in the face of the overwhelming evidence I just provided you, makes you a fellow traveler who aids Nazis.
Sorry, if you don't want to be told you're helping out Nazis, don't be a genocide denier. And if you don't want to be called a genocide denier, don't deny a genocide is happening when you're very, very, very clearly shown that it is and even refusing to review the evidence you've been given.
That makes you a fellow traveler of Nazis. It's not my fault that you're a genocide denier, it's yours.
I do love that someone who denies a genocide is happening in the face of a mass of evidence they clearly are refusing to review is telling me to get a grip on reality though. My grip on reality is based on evidence. Yours is apparently based on misunderstanding what Godwin's Law means. Although I think it's an intentional misunderstanding to avoid admitting you're a fellow traveler.
You literally called me a Nazi multiple times. Keep going. It really enhances your credibility.
Nope, I literally called you a fellow traveler and a Nazi supporter. Because you're supporting Nazis.
And it's odd that you're talking about credibility when you continue to refuse to review a lot of information about an ongoing genocide so that you can continue to claim it isn't happening.
Keep going. Your hyperbole and moral panic are entertaining. Those Nazis are everywhere, I tell you. Everywhere!
Ah, so now genocide is a moral panic. Those horrible trans people!
And another logical fallacy. Keep going. You're doing great!
Believe it or not, just accusing me of making logical fallacies doesn't actually make them logical fallacies.
It's not my fault that you're a fellow traveler, it's yours.
No, making logical fallacies makes your argument logically fallacious. But keep going.
Too bad it's not a logical fallacy to call a genocide denier, which you are, a fellow traveler.
I already pointed out the logical fallacies one of your posts, in which virtually every word was part of a logical fallacy. That must be very embarrassing for you as a grown man. I don't think I need to embarrass you further. But keep going. Tell me again that I'm a Nazi.
Yes, I know you claimed every part of it was a logical fallacy. That doesn't make it true. Much like this is a falsehood:
I still have not called you a Nazi. I don't know why you've lied about that twice now. It's interesting that you think your lying would embarrass me.
Hair splitting. But keep going.
Nope. A fellow traveler is not a Nazi. They mean different things. So that's another lie. How many more lies do you plan to tell?
Don't hurt your legs backpedalling so fast.
Another lie. I did no backpedaling. So we'll call that four lies.
Distraction and derailing. Claiming that I'm lying in order to avoid dealing with your logically fallacious argument.
Nope, I'm claiming that you're lying because you're lying. You lied twice about me calling you a Nazi, which I never did, once by claiming that a fellow traveler and a Nazi are the same thing, which they are not, and once because you claimed I backpedaled, which you did not do.
Furthermore, it is not a fallacy that there is an ongoing transgender genocide just because you arrogantly refuse to believe it.
Time for you to go back to school. Your style of argument is full of hyperbole, ad hominem attacks, slippery slope assumptions, hair splitting, and straw men.
But keep going.
Your claims do not change your lies or your genocide denial.
And repeatedly saying "but keep going" achieves absolutely nothing other than making you look like a very silly person.
Trans women are women. This is not complicated.
If you are interested in a (in my opinion) nuanced look at it I would like to point you towards the YouTube Channel Contrapoints Video on the matter, in case you haven't seen it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDKbT_l2us&t=455
She claims that that is her problem, but her solution isn’t “let’s make sure that we harshly prosecute those who abuse the goodwill of other’s trusting in your own self identification to invade and attack women”, is “all trans women are really perverts trying to invade women spaces to attack women”
So, really, her problem seems to be with trans people existing at all…