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You need to give these people a way out. If you create a way for people to escape military service a lot of people would take it.
Surrender is a legitimate way out.
There’s a difference between surrender and defection.
Soldiers who surrender are afforded protections and retain ties to their countries. After hostilities resolve or if a prisoner transfer is arranged, they return to their country and generally do not face punishment. At least according to Geneva conventions on lawful war. It’s rarely this simple and clean.
Soldiers who defect have few, if any, protections and are in a weird place with nationality. They are typically considered fugitives by their home countries and may or may not be able to travel internationally as they may also be stateless.
Yeah, that's true.
You've got some complications there, though.
You probably need to find a country that has sufficient Russian-speakers to get by, unless they can also speak something else. But that country is going to be basically harboring people that Russia considers criminals. That's going to piss off Russia. So, maybe Armenia or the -stans. They've got a Russophone population. I'd guess that one can probably get by fine there speaking Russian. But they've also got some good reasons not to piss off Russia; it's a rough neighborhood and Russia is a major player. Then you've got, say, the Baltic states. They've got Russian-speakers. But they're -- probably partly as a result of this war, which Putin justified by "protecting Russian-speakers" -- adverse to the Russian language and it being used as a route for Kremlin influence, and they were pushing EU policy opposed to Russian immigration; I think that they've got national security concerns. There's Belarus, but I'm pretty sure that Belarus is just gonna extradite anyone Russia wants to Russia. And there's Ukraine, but they're already there, and if Ukraine isn't willing, that's not really an answer. I'd assume that Ukraine takes forcibly conscripted DPR/LNR soldiers who want to stay, though they probably are going to want to handle them on a case-by-case basis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_diaspora
Or maybe more-usefully:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_distribution_of_Russian_speakers
That's basically Germany, Israel, the US, and Canada. Everyone else above 100k Russophones falls into one of the above camps: -stans, Baltic-style states, Belarus, or Ukraine. My guess is that we could probably do it, but you also gotta remember that Trump already rode a wave of upset at immigration to office. I would assume that there is going to be some political price there with nativists.
The only skillset that they're definitely going to have in common is some -- maybe minimal -- military training, and odds are pretty good that they were poorer-than-the-average in Russia, folks for whom the money meant more. They may have psychological or physical scars from the war.
Some of them -- because, remember the Kremlin got a lot of "low political cost" manpower by offering amnesties to people who were in prison prior to the war -- were prisoners, so for some people, you're not talking about people who are not merely criminal in Russia's eyes for surrendering, but may have been aiming to exit a hefty prison sentence. That's going to be a difficult sell for countries accepting immigrants. If you think of the Mariel boatlift, where Castro intentionally sought to mix Cuban prisoners in, send them to the US:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0144818822000503
I'd also guess that probably Israel's Russophone population is driven by Jewish migration; Israel has immigration policy that favors Jewish immigration. For some soldiers, that may be applicable, but not for others.
I'd guess that the most-realistic options are probably Germany, us in the US, or Canada.
And my guess is that in those cases, surrendered soldiers are probably going to have lower priority than conscientious objectors, people who left with the aim of avoiding the conflict entirely.