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Ah, Yes! AI Will Surely Save Us All!
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Am I OOL on something or are we calling CSAM and nonconsentual porn "erotic roleplay" now?
If you classify erotic roleplay as CSAM, then there is a whole sprawling community called DDLG that belongs on the sex offenders registry.
Noncon is similarly a much more prevalent fetish than people think.
The only difference between this debate and the traditional porn counterpart is that traditional video porn has always had actors who are verifiably of-age and consenting, despite whatever the roleplay may imply. With drawn and written erotica, there is no actor, it's all text coming from imagination and how you interpret it is a function of both the reader's and author's imagination. What it depicts means virtually nothing and outlawing it means making it a thoughtcrime, which is a Pandora's box you do not want opened.
I think you misunderstood...the only AI porn I've heard anyone make a stink about is AI CSAM and deep fakes of celebrities or, again, children. I don't care about consenting adults pretending to be younger or nonconsent play.
Making realistic AI porn of people without their consent isn't ok. Normalizing CSAM or making it harder to find and prosecute real CSAM producers isn't ok either. Making AI porn using the likeness of real children isn't ok. Those are the only complaints I've heard on the topic, and I agree with them. If there's other things people are screaming about, I'm OOL, which was the question I originally asked.
Ok good, so we're on the same page. I just had to disambiguate because it was getting to that "wrongful grouping" territory.
But yeah something 100% needs to be done about the models people are training for celebrity and minor likenesses. I saw one model for the latter gaining popularity and I threw up a little in my mouth because the aesthetic they were going for was not okay and made me very concerned. I want to see these get action'd/desisted, but I also want assurance that they won't drag us innocent pervs who just want stories and pictures of lewd foxgirls n shit to get caught in the crossfire for no good reason. Same thing all us weebs have been saying for years, just new chapter with heightened risks.
Unfortunately there's no middleman with them. They'll make rules that apply to Ai csam but that could also apply to any other Ai porn so they have it in their back pocket if they need it.
*middle ground
And yes, that is exactly what I expect them to do. I just hope everyone is as wary of it.
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Thanks, I thought that was the "doki dori literature group" (spelling?) (a game I hadn't played but know of), was it co-opted or were there always 2 meanings, or did the game play off of the community?
Doki Doki Literature Glub
Bwahaha, thanks! It's now forever engrained properly in my mind
xD No worries, my mind went to Doki Doki first, so you gave me an excuse to say the cursed fish version =P
You're thinking of Doki Doki Literature Club, common mistake. It's just a coincidence I suppose. DDLG most certainly predates that game and I don't think their subject matter is at all related.
On the tame side of things, there's chicks that like to call you "daddy" and want you to call them a "good/naughty little girl" and embrace the praise&punishment aspect of Dominance& Submission. Pretty vanilla stuff. I could get with it, and I reckon most guys may be able to, feels like the daddy thing isn't too uncommon.
On other end............ well, actually, I don't want to talk about it. Look it up yourself, that way only you are to blame for cursing yourself with the knowledge
I appreciate your comment, I never want to Google this stuff myself.
Nobody was talking about either of those things until you came along. Why are they on your mind? Why do you immediately think of children being molested when you hear the word erotic?
I don't. Again, the only complaints I've heard about AI porn are regarding those 2 things. If you have other examples, please share.
They clearly said erotic roleplay, you instantly thought about child porn. Simple as that. This was not a post about child porn. That is whats on your mind.
When someone mentions AI and porn together, your right...that's where my mind goes because it's an important issue and...again, the only thing I've heard any actual ethicists complain about. Why is your response to try and insinuate I'm a pedophile instead of addressing that I actually said?
Because, again, this was a post about erotic roleplay and YOU ALONE tried to turn it into child porn. NOBODY was talking about that. you came along and said 'are we calling child porn erotic roleplay now?'
Please, for the love of god, stop bringing up child porn when nobody else was discussing it. That is not what this post was about.
They also specifically mentioned ethicists bitching about it. I haven't even thought about sexting since the 90s...it literally never crossed my mind that's what they were talking about. I follow AI, and I follow a lot of ethicists and the ONLY overlap there in my experience is around those two topics. Maybe try asking the LLM for a definition of psychological association between fap sessions instead of throwing that Freudian shit at me...last time anyone believed that they needed a quill and a stamp to sext.
I give up dude.
Top post on .world right now...I'm totally weird for making the association
Please leave me alone
Are you not capable of conceiving an AI-driven erotica roleplay that wouldn't be classified as CSAM?
See my other reply...it's not that, it's that the only ethical concerns I've heard raised were about CSAM or using nonconsenting models.
The "ethics" of most AIs I have futzed with would prevent them from complying with a request to
act as a horny catgirlbut not to worry about agreeing towrite an inspiring 1000 word essay about Celine Dion at a grade 7 reading level. My reading of the meme is that it's about that sort of paradox.How can text ever possibly be CSAM when there's no child or sexual abuse involved?
Text even completely fictional can be CSAM based on jurisdiction.
I've seen no evidence to that. There are cases tried under obscenity laws but CSAM has a pretty clear definition of being visual.
Internationally? I know that in Germany there are cases.
I didn't say anything about text?
What exactly do you think erotic roleplay means?
Well, I honestly hadn't considered someone texting with a LLM, I was more thinking about AI generated images.