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[-] Bonehead@kbin.social 81 points 6 months ago

We're not the ones resorting to this ableist bullshit, they are. They are the ones wearing diapers and making a mockery out of it. We criticize them for making a mockery out of it simply to emulated someone that makes a mockery out of everything. Do we need to remind everyone of Trump mocking a disabled person on live TV?

Yes, I agree, fuck that noise. But we're not the ones making that noise.

[-] Promethiel@lemmy.world 48 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This. Nowhere is the paradox of tolerance more dangerous than around "ableism" issues; people gotta learn to keep their targets sighted on the actual scum Insidiously using empathy to cross purposes.

The rightfully tolerant protector of the less able does not argue against the Nazi arguing he should be able to punch people without repercussions, they punch the Nazi until he shuts up and go back to equity for everyone else with a clean conscience.

Don't tolerate the intolerant; don't shield them with the benefit of the doubt or stop those with the conviction to stand up for those being told to sit either.

[-] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago

Thank you. I've had to explain this paradox to multiple tens of close friends and associates often, and recently.

This is much better worded than any of my attempts. Kudos.

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

But we're not the ones making that noise.

It was shared for the sole purpose of ridicule. Have you seen some of these fucking comments?? How about instead of getting defensive (and invoking his mockery of disabled people in your defence of.. mocking disabled people, who you may not intend to mock, but who you do when you ridicule and stigmatise things they use), just, you know, don't make fun of medical aids and people who use them, and attack fascists on the grounds of their fucking fascism instead???

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 months ago

Howard Stern took a shit in a diaper on air(or pretended to). I can and will mock him for this. Not because he wore a diaper, but because he wore a diaper when not necessary and made a spectacle of himself.

Donald Trump mocks people for their age even if they're still able to ride a bike, when he won't or can't walk a couple hundred feet with a bunch of other political leaders, while he's incontinent and his opponent isn't. I can and will mock him for wearing a diaper, not because it's ableist, but because he's a hypocrite and deserves to be called out for it.

I will mock his followers for wearing diapers, again, not because I'm ableist, but because they're using medical devices when they don't need to, both making a spectacle of themselves and supporting a hypocrite who makes fun of disabled people. They are deserving of criticism not only for what and who they support, but also how they show that support.

[-] Bonehead@kbin.social 11 points 6 months ago

I've seen the comments, and yes some are low effort ridicule about wearing a diaper. But the majority are ridiculing these people for making a mockery out of wearing a diaper. That's the difference. There are going to be elements in every group that punch down, but the Trump fans are made up entirely of that element. That's why they are making a mockery of wearing a diaper in the first place.

Instead of getting defensive, try taking a step back and look at what people are actually doing rather than focusing on the few bad examples and lecturing all of us about being ableist.

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