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[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 54 points 6 months ago

So there are politicans who really believe that climate change is a conspiracy? Or they just don't care for the future?

[-] exanime@lemmy.today 62 points 6 months ago

Remaining rich depends on them not believing climate change

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 37 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

There's an enormous amount of money in renewable energy and battery manufacturing. That's why Texas leads the nation in wind farm power and Atlanta, Georgia is getting a $4.3B investment at its Hyundai electric vehicle plant.

But there's also a ton of legacy infrastructure that generates enormous revenue streams. If you've just invested billions into our rapidly expanding oil pipeline network

You're not going to want us to give up on mineral extraction across the American northwest or central plains.

This is a real clash of industries.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Comrades, it's time to follow the example of Rico Rodriguez! Oil pipelines were made to be blown up! Along with military vehicles!

[-] dumpsterlid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Alright buddy so you want to burn it down and cause utter chaos just cause you donโ€™t like how things are going?

Well, when you put it that way it actually sounds a lot like the US military/government! You too should be friends!

โ€ฆor are you only interested in blowing up pipelines in rich countries where the correct oil companies and defense contractors already own everything and are making money hand over fist?

If so would you hurt the soul of America like that? It would be like burning down Fenway or smashing the liberty bell to bits. Those poor executives would have to go home to their families and explain through tears and sobs that the halcyon days of shitting on the future of humanity for the next 15,000 years are over, and that consequences for the ruling class have officially arrived.

shudders what an awful thought!

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[-] arin@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Oil losing value, someone remind them that selling their bag holding oil stocks is a good play.

[-] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

If anything, oil is increasing in value. It certainly isn't losing it.

[-] arin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Less demand=less value. More electric vehicles=less oil

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago

They're bought by the oil industry

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

I don't think it matters whether or not they really believe it.

[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 14 points 6 months ago

Those who don't, believe in money.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 6 months ago

Have you seen how old they are? Doesn't matter for them.

[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 1 points 6 months ago

No children, no niece?

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Electric cars aren't going to fix climate change

[-] Boxtifer@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago

It's gonna help. There's not an all out 1 solution.

[-] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 33 points 6 months ago

But donโ€™t you see, unless there is one magical silver bullet solution that fixes everything then itโ€™s all worthless and we should go back to dumping CFCโ€™s into the atmosphere.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

We should defintely still make EVs, overall they are going to be better than ICE. We just shouldn't force/subsidize everyone to have to buy and drive an EV like we did with ICE cars.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Electric trains might, but we're even worse at building them than cars.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago

They can be built from acorn and twigs.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Are we? Diesel-ev hybrid is fairly effective and proven. Making a pure ev would just mean taking the diesel out, adding more batteries and installing electrical rail or over head trolley cables to charge them. Trains run on a schedule, so logistic planning should be straight forward.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Are we?

Recently, yes. California's spent 16 years not building rail. The Gulf Coast states have been tearing their rail out and replacing it with highways for over a decade. The Upper Midwest has just kinda given up on doing anything useful, and just watched its transit infrastructure collapse.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

My point is is that the tech is there. There's just an unwillingness.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

In the states, certainly. Elsewhere, its wildly popular.

[-] eskimofry@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

The problem is that highway advocates don't solve the problem of "who's going to pay for all this?". The reason infrastructure in America is in disrepair is that funding for highways is supposed to be gotten from tolls and road taxes. But since everywhere in America is a freeway... there's no funding for repairs.

Expecting the Government budget to cover maintenance of infrastructure is wishful thinking... unless you're also willing to agree that the military is allocated too much money.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

funding for highways is supposed to be gotten from tolls and road taxes.

Regressive taxation leads to overfunded main roads and underfunded side streets.

Expecting the Government budget to cover maintenance of infrastructure is wishful thinking

Roads are fundamental to the operation of any government. It isn't simply that states need to maintain roads. It is that states need roads in order to exist.

[-] eskimofry@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Roads are fundamental to the operation of any government. It isnโ€™t simply that states need to maintain roads. It is that states need roads in order to exist.

Is it right to say then, that the users of the roads pay for maintenance? Do you expect the government to print more money to pay for maintenance?

Edit:

Regressive taxation leads to overfunded main roads and underfunded side streets.

As opposed to both main roads and side streets being underfunded without tolls and road taxes? Do you expect Government to print money to pay for all this?

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Who says EV are going to fix climate change?

[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 2 points 6 months ago

Yes, but an easy target.

[-] eskimofry@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Ok then that means we have to consider the fact that Car-oriented zoning laws and construction are bad for our future. 15-minute cities and infrastructure to support alternative modes of transit for longer distances are the way forward.

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