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I feel like there's very few opportunities these days to say this, but the cops and business owners in this situation actually seem to have behaved in a very humane and decent way here, so that's a nice surprise
I was 100% assuming she was arrested. Very relieving that's not what happened.
Yeah, it's messed up that nearly everyone from the US would read that headline and make the same assumption without batting an eye because we've been conditioned to expect nothing else from police. It sure would be nice if we lived in a country where policing was actually a civil service and not a damn street gang.
Wat? She still alive?
The cases you hear in the media are the ones that provoke outrage.
On a day to day basis the police have hundreds of interactions with the public that aren't remarkable or noteworthy.
Well it's nice that they didn't beat her to death. But they still kicked her out and didn't actually provide any more help. "Services in the area" probably will be less adequate than what she'd had before they booted her.
I don't expect them to actually take care of her, but they don't get a gold star for declining to bludgeon, strangle, or imprison her. She's on her own.
I mean, I would add on not sticking her with a criminal charge as an important thing they didn't do here, because the whole story of "oh you missed a court date because we sent the notice to an address you haven't lived at in years, so now we're fining you on top of the original criminal charge that brought you in here, [soon] wow, you've got a lot of missed court dates and unpaid fines, you look like a career criminal who needs the book thrown at them" happens a lot,
And there's a very real chance that the contractors looked the other way and then this woman's residence got discovered they could have lost their licenses or otherwise gotten in trouble
Like, I think what you're pointing out is a really important perspective and we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that a woman with a home was made homeless here, but I think a lot of relatively powerless people here tried to be as humane as an inhumane system would let them be, and I think that's important too. I think the way this world gets less shitty is when more people start making these little steps towards revolutionary kindness and then those little steps start getting bigger and bigger.
Again, it's not praiseworthy that they merely declined to abuse her. I'm not scorning them, but they get zero credit for declining to abuse her (beyond the abuse of kicking her out with no help).
Without evidence, there's no point in this speculation unless you're hired by their PR to praise them (which seems unlikely).
Sorry, but this is absolute nonsense. It's meaningless. She is homeless.
This is the only story. Let's not waste time praising the heroic saints who kicked her out.
mate it's ok and good to acknowledge a small measure of good that may exist in a very terrible situation.
humans are not meant to focus on only the doom, gloom, and cynicism of it all 100% of the time.
Meant by whom?
nature. our brains get fucked up when stuck in the doom and gloom for too long.
pedantry is an ugly quality btw.
There was no measure of good whatsoever. Her situation was made objectively worse, and we're presuming to praise those responsible merely for not making it even more worse. I'm not the one who created any doom or gloom. I didn't kick her out. And it's not cynical to sympathize with the homeless woman instead of with the people who kicked her out. Mate.
And she's also a homeless woman. Women need private spaces when they are homeless, they can't just be on the street as safely as men are. They space was probably VERY safe for her compared to a shelter.
So you're saying it would have been better for her if she was charged with crimes? She would be stuck with fines and probably jail time. You do realize SHE was breaking multiple laws by being there right? So yeah, it is a small measure of good because they looked the other way rather than filing charges.
They didn't look the other way. They kicked her out. And I don't blame them. But neither do I praise them or call them good.
Ok, so in your eyes it's the same as if they pressed charges? Which they absolutely could have done since she was stealing power from them for over a year and trespassing.
"Not worse" is different from "better", how is this a difficult concept?
Not going to jail and paying fines is better than going to jail and paying fines. What part are you struggling with?
What an ignorant take.
Yours? I agree.
No u
Think you're struggling with the definition of ignorance.
How about the definition of "cruelty"? The law itself is unjust. It's bananas to me that someone can be criminalized for seeking shelter in good faith. She wasn't destroying that area or stealing (except some electricity). She needed shelter. I learned in kindergarten that we need food, water, and shelter. Didn't you learn those as needs? If not, maybe you really are the ignorant one.
It's not "kind" to simply not enforce a cruel law. It's just not being as cruel as they could be. Just because they could've abused their power more and didn't, doesn't make them good. It just makes them less shit.
My work had people squatting under the awnings at at night. We let them as long as they didn't make a mess and left while we were open. I gave them coffee sometimes. They could have just ignored the situation or told her she couldn't have the extension cord. Like genuinely, as a real human to human interaction, that's what they should've done.
If she'd been a squirrel or some pigeons, they would've probably left her alone. Because we can understand that animals need shelter.
Did you know there are programs and help for people like her? A place where she can stay safely. A place where she's not ON A ROOF LIVING IN A SIGN which is certainly unsafe and if she were to get hurt, guess who's on the hook for that? Yeah, the business. Cruel would be putting her ass in jail and fining her.
People always say "there's a program," but actually kook in her city for programs - what are they? Are they shelters? Or real housing? We usually DON'T have those programs, which is why people end up living behind signs
Taking about 4.6 seconds, a search resulted in multiple homeless shelters in her city.
Okay, take another 5 second search and look into why homeless women (and men) do not like staying in showers. Look up the rates of rape and sexual assault in shelters. Shelters are not safe alternatives. Her sign was much safer.
Get over yourself.
No.
This is where it’s at in the US: people feel a warm sense of happiness when a marginalized person isnt beaten to death or shot by authorities.
I agree it sucks, but they can't reasonably let her continue living there after they found out. There's so many legal and ethical issues with that. They are not qualified to provide housing. We need to provide better alternatives.
Legal problems? Yes. Ethical problems? Fuck no.
She was living rent free pulling resources from a company that likely fights against social programs for homelessness. That, to me, 1000% ethical.
It would only be unethical if the US has an adequate social safety net.
The ethical problems are that it's not designed to be lived in, so it's probably not safe. It's also an ethical problem to kick her out without a safety net, but there's plenty of reasons why I could think of that would make it not OK for her to be there.
We aren't talking about a toxic waste dump or a steel mill. This is a grocery store attic.
I'd agree that if they rented the space to her that would be unethical as they aren't providing essential utilities like water and sewage. However, this location was likely safer and more private for her than camping out on the street. Her situation was not improved by being evicted. She was harmed. That's why it's unethical to evict on discovery.
'That likely' so you've decided based on nothing except your preconceived opinions which are likely based in the first place on nothing more than 'it makes me feel good to believe this'
I never suggested they should let her stay there. But they don't get a gold star for kicking her out nicely either.
I think it's sad af, if she was a bird or raccoon they'd let her stay. We give people less dignity than a bird.
Eh, you should see the lengths people will go to to get rid of birds.
Would you like the officer to take a second mortgage out on his home and build her a room on his house? The system is broken, the cop did his best to not make it worse.
I'm not blaming the cop. But I'm also not praising him. Nobody here helped the woman. Let's just lament her homelessness without weirdly congratulating the people who kicked her out.
Agree
Cop shoulda pulled one of these
https://youtu.be/pMd4S-LkywI
You know back during the Great Depression, we used to let widows buy their homes for pennies rather than let them be homeless. It's sad that these days, our sense of community is so fucked that people would pick profit over making sure everyone in their community has a house.
The unidentified woman, too. Sounds like a whole bunch of people being cordial to each other for once.
No, the humane and decent thing would have been to leave her the fuck alone. She's not hurting anyone.
That just tells us the woman is white.