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They were recalled because the level of Capsaicin has caused symptoms of poisoning in younger individuals. A consumer asked the board of food and safety if it was really allowed to sell the strong variants. They looked at them, and measured that they contained even more Capsaicin than the Hot Chip Challenge, which has caused hospitalizations in Germany. Combined with it being a TikTok/Instagram trend to try and eat them, food and safety decided to recall them
I really like the stew ones, x3 were just dumb
~~Is it really “poisoning” if some subset of consumers can’t eat something?~~ Ok. It’s poisoning. Y’all really focusing on this part of my comment. We all know “the dose makes the poison” though. So “poisons” are clearly allowed to be sold as food.
Like if some Danes are severely allergic to shellfish are they going to pull all crabs off the market?
If it’s temporary until labeling standards can be defined and implemented, that makes sense to me but just blanket removal seems like an overreaction.
To the doctor treating a patient, they don't care about the legal definition. A poisoned patient is a poisoned patient.
Additionally, "causing symptoms of" a thing is a very different statement from "causing". Covid causes symptoms of the flu, for example.
Being an asshole is a bad look, but even worse when you're a confidently incorrect one.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/alberta/alberta-distillery-to-stop-making-4-litre-vodka-jugs-after-minister-raises-concern/article_a996a945-cabf-5f17-a8d1-86d4998ba9e4.html
My take is that the people who were treated were treated for symptoms of poisoning, and that pretending they weren't is a stupid, petty, and useless line to fixate on. They were exhibiting symptoms of poisoning. They weren't poisoned in the traditional sense that immediately comes to mind when you hear the word and imagine the action, but what happened to them was the same stuff that would happen to someone who was. We can all move on now.
The problem is that the ban is a fucking stupid idea as compared to better labelling and/or age controls.
No, what I'm saying is that if you drink a gallon of vodka you'd have alcohol poisoning. If you drink a bathtub of water you'd have water poisoning, a real thing. If you eat a shit ton of concentrated capsaicin... You'd have...?
I didn't get much sleep, so the tone of my posts today has been fairly aggressive.
For the purposes of making myself entirely clear, because it seems like I'm being misinterpreted, I'll tone down the typical internet rudeness-for-rudeness and plainly state my feelings about this directly. If you disagree with them at that point, that's understandable, but right now you say that you believe that I believe things that I don't believe, and my entire point in continuing to reply is that I want to make it clear what I've been saying from the beginning:
If the doctors had literally said "spicy is poison", they would have been wrong and dumb. They didn't. If any politician has said that "spicy is poison", they're wrong and dumb. If any news sites have said that "spicy is poison", they're dumb and wrong.
I don't want to continue to send messages with the intention of clapping back or being an ass, and I'm genuinely happy to continue the discussion in a way that doesn't make both of us into assholes going forward, if there are more points of my position you'd like me to clarify or would like to continue to talk about, but if things are gonna keep being weirdly insulting for no good reason, then Imma dip.
If it causes you to get nauseous and throw up, I would call it poisoning
If I eat a kilo of cheese and puke, can we ban cheese from the market?
If that kilo of cheese were artificially somehow shrunk down to a single serving and marketed to cheese enthusiasts as "the cheesy challenge"... Maybe?
You would still have some kind of poisoning if you're lactose intolerant, importantly.
I think my own point is that someone showing symptoms of poisoning in this context is valid, even if banning a super-spicy food is a heavy-handed reaction to what would probably be better solved with better labelling and in an extreme case age restriction.
I had a 1x spicy variant from these producers and it was pretty intense but still enjoyable, and I'm used to some heat but normally try to stay below 100.000 Scoville (ish) to still have fun. I can imagine if you are used to nothing spicywise and try their 3x spicy stuff you might get poisoning. Maybe the time is ripe to have a global rating or warning label for spicy foods. Everyone always already tries to convey the spicyness-level, especially for guests/tourists and such. Why not try to make a standard for spicy warnings, you could even have region variability like in clothing labels.
I found the x2 were pretty tasty, but it'd be unpleasant for a few hours before the ring of fire, and that'd usually disrupt my sleep a bit, so it wasn't worth it. I just went with the regular spice level instead. I haven't tried the x3, but it seems like it's getting a bit silly by that point.
I quite like the originals. While I'm big fan of spicy stuff (I get one level down from maximum spicy at a local Indian place), I tried x2 and saw a glimmer of what people might like about it, but it was a step too far for me, where it lost flavor for the sake of spiciness. x3 has got to be straight battery acid. I don't know how any human can buy those saying "Yep, this is the level I enjoy."