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What do you think the Great Filter is? (lemmy.world)

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The Great Filter is the idea that, in the development of life from the earliest stages of abiogenesis to reaching the highest levels of development on the Kardashev scale, there is a barrier to development that makes detectable extraterrestrial life exceedingly rare. The Great Filter is one possible resolution of the Fermi paradox.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter

The Fermi paradox is the discrepancy between the lack of conclusive evidence of advanced extraterrestrial life and the apparently high likelihood of its existence. As a 2015 article put it, "If life is so easy, someone from somewhere must have come calling by now."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

Personally I think it's photosynthesis. Life itself developed and spread but photosynthesis started an inevitable chain of ever-greater and more-efficient life. I think a random chain of mutations that turns carbon-based proto-life into something that can harvest light energy is wildly unlikely, even after the wildly unlikely event of life beginning in the first place.

I have no data to back that up, just a guess.

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[-] littlecolt@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago

I would say it's the size of the universe and the fact that it is still expanding at an accelerated rate.

If the speed of light is really the "top speed" of the universe, it is inadequate for interstellar travel. It is barely good enough for timely communication, and not really even that.

Life can be as likely as it wants to be, but it seems to me that we're all quite divided, to the point of not being able to communicate at all with other potential intelligent species.

[-] androogee@midwest.social 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Isn't the fermi paradox specifically dealing with detection tho? Not just travel or communication.

[-] littlecolt@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

I suppose I was focusing on detecting some sort of communications. It still matters that when we see objects at great distance in space, it's the objects in the distant past

[-] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

This universe being unfriendly to interstellar and especially intergalactic travel would seriously hamper a galactic civilization, and thus be less likely for us to notice them.

There might be hundreds of civilizations out there, each having only expanded to a few dozen stars, not caring to go further. Even the makeup of the interstellar medium might be incredibly dangerous, basically necessitating generation ships to cross. Large scale expansion might simply be too hard.

[-] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

That expansion at an accelerated rate - that's just so eerie when you think about it. The furthest objects we can see right now will slip away out of reach forever for the next generation, and so on. It's crazy to think that as time goes on, there will be less and less universe to observe.

[-] androogee@midwest.social 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That's something really interesting, though. When we look at distant objects, we aren't limited by the distance they're at right now. We're limited by the distance they were at when they emitted the light.

So the observable universe is still growing because the edge of that bubble is such a long time ago that everything was still much closer together.

[-] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

But the light that reaches us is constantly getting stretched (red-shifted), so I'm not sure that our bubble is growing. Instead when they're stretched too thin, we won't be able to see it. I'm not 100% sure on the expansion rate of the universe and the pace of red shifting. Also, eventually all the galaxies are expected to be pushed so far away from each other due to the pressures exerted by Dark Energy, that soon we'll only be able to see just the stars of our Milky Way.

[-] littlecolt@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

One of the weirdest facts. One that really makes you feel so small.

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