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I'm also glad we can pivot away from the fact that a Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college, even Republicans, but they can never get passed.
I think you’re reinforcing my original point:
On another note : We are discussing the fact that Defending Democracy Through Elections Won’t Be Enough to Stop Fascism.
Just a guess, but it might have something to do with immanent critique
Ok, I see what's happening. Listen, I'm glad you discovered Marxist-Leninist theory and you feel the urge to re-contextualize everything through that narrative. It's cool -I'm happy for you. I was there ten years ago. It's good to have multiple perspectives to analyze history. What's not good is to adhere to an exclusive narrative. I'm not here to discuss marxist-leninist theory though, I'm here to discuss the facts of the matter. It's very simple and comfortable to sit here and reduce everything to class warfare. The real work happens in the details.
If we analyze each bill that was blocked we can understand what were the causes. We can also analyze when progressive bills did pass and how that work happened. The real work is in the details. My initial statement stands true: with a slim majority in either house or senate, it's going to take moving mountains to pass very progressive legislation. The reason is not class warfare or capitalists enforcing the status quo etc.
This is true. But the voting block that actually shows up to polls is actually venn diagram that overlaps partially. Also, while democrats are busy constantly purity testing each other, Republicans have been able to refine their messaging and impose their draconian policies with impunity. I'm tired of hearing about this both sidesing and upholding the status quo constantly when none of you have any clue about the work or process involved in changing policy. Go participate in local politics and become involved so you can get first-hand knowledge and become more effective. Or sit here and keep telling me about the capitalist class. Maybe that's easier --dunno.
Nah. Immanent critique has nothing to do with why people on Lemmy are so eager to ascribe labels to others. I think it has to do more with the fact that many users on this site are probably younger and can't handle nuance. If they are confronted with an internal critique, then their first reaction is to categorize interlocutors as diametrically opposite. If you point out a flaw in Hamas's warfare you are automatically a Zionist. If you bring up critiques of Marxist-Leninist theory, you are automatically upholding the status quo of capitalism. It's a way to have chilling effect on discourse so as not to be confronted with an internal critique because when you are young, and your entire worldview depends on one exclusive framework you can't risk shattering it. My desire for you as you grow is to learn to accept internal critiques (of whatever world framework you choose to adhere to) without resorting to otherising and also not be afraid to look at the facts of the matter. History is both in the micro and the macro. Don't stick to just the macro.
Sorry it took me so long to respond, I got lost in the details…
As Rudolph Rucker writes in “Anarcho-syndicalism: Theory and Practice:”
But, again, Hasan explains it more generally, They keep saying , “Just Vote…”.