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[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

It matters for media coverage because gang wars are different than “innocent little granny shot by lone wolf”

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

But isn't the source of the problem the same for both? Or do you mean that people consuming the news just don't sympathize with murders when it's a gang war?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand this because it gets brought up a lot when mass shootings happen and I guess to me, murder is murder.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Right, it just doesn’t get media coverage because we don’t sympathize in those cases. And it doesn’t fit into people’s mental concept of “mass shooting” as a result. Someone elsewhere in these comments already tried to say this doesn’t count as a mass shooting

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Got it. Thanks.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 5 points 5 months ago

The source of the problem is crime (often due to poverty/gang culture) and mental health issues. If the source of the problem was gun owners there would be far more deaths. Millions of people own guns without ever harming anyone. Fixing healthcare so it's accessible to people who need it, expanding social services, and fixing income inequality is the real solution.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Unfortunately the people opposed to gun control are also typically opposed to all those things you mentioned.

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago

Sure, but that doesn't mean you should fight them for gun control instead of fighting them for the other things. You can instead advocate for those other things. Those other things are also easier tbh because they don't require an amendment to the constitution to happen.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Or we can fight for both since no one needs the kind of hardware that's out there right now.

Screw amendments, we can just argue that the second is referring to a person's upper limbs. Besides, with the supreme court saying the president is above the law and states requiring the 10 commandments in schools, it's pretty clear the Constitution doesn't mean shit anyway.

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago

Good luck with that.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Then it's weird that pretty much all the countries with high homicide rates, the U.S. included, tend to have legal guns and the ones with low homicide rates tend not to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

You would think there would be some sort of link.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 0 points 5 months ago

There are 1.2 guns for every person in the united states and the homicide rate is 6.383 for every 100,000 people. It doesn't break out homicides by guns vs. other methods but even if every homicide was using a gun that isn't much of a correlation between gun ownership and murdering people. There are always other factors. If just guns made people commit homicide there would be bodies piled in the streets.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

That is not in any way a response to my point.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

It’s also associated with domestic violence. Yes that’s a crime but it’s not the crime people are thinking of. And unfortunately that one is going to be the tricky one to resolve

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 5 months ago

I think that would fall under expanding social services, either to give the abusee options to remove themselves from the situation or get the abuser into counseling early on before it gets more serious or a combination of the two. Personally I think a lot of violent assholes could be sorted out if everyone had to take counseling in high school and learn methods of dealing with their shit.

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