372

Watch: Adobe angers artists with new Photoshop terms (techcrunch.com)

submitted 5 months ago by lemmee_in@lemm.ee to c/technology@lemmy.world

55 comments fedilink hide all child comments

Artists got an unpleasant surprise when they opened Photoshop this week, as they were shown a pop-up window asking them to agree to new terms of service. Among the changes: Adobe now says it has the right to access customers’ content through “automated or manual methods.”

Now it’s true that when we use cloud services, we sacrifice a certain amount of privacy. And it’s not unusual for social networks, for example, to claim similar rights — when you share your photos on Facebook, you’re also giving Facebook the right to use those photos. But we’re not talking about your personal Facebook or Instagram photos; Photoshop is used by many, many professional artists for their livelihoods. They might also be working on sensitive or confidential material.

The moment you upload your data to some company cloud you no longer have control over it. They can use however the want it.

top 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[-] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 55 points 5 months ago

Now might be a good time to start getting familiar with Krita and/or GIMP. They will have different workflows and might not fit well in every situation, but reducing reliance on user-hostile corporate terms and closed, poorly-defined file formats is likely to be worthwhile in the long run.

[-] PenisWenisGenius@lemmynsfw.com 15 points 5 months ago

I only use Gimp for my image editing and I can literally do everything I ever attempt. I do stuff game modding and 3d model textures sometimes. Wtf else do people want in gimp, an automatic dick sucking machine?

[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

Yes.

[-] JackFrostNCola@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Using GIMP, getting sucked off while wearing a GIMP suit.

[-] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

Doesn't gimp have a bunch of hard-coded sRGB shit, which makes it absolutely worthless piece of garbage for any even half-serious work?

[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Yep, which should change when they release 3.0.

[-] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

Oh cool!

[-] Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

"Wtf else do people want in gimp, an automatic dick sucking machine?"

I mean, now that you mention it, I would very much yes. YES.

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

I use Gimp for all my Cyanotype negative making in my photography hobby. It hasn't asked me even once to see if it likes what I'm doing. It just does the thing I want it to do and waits for more.

[-] errer@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

I use Photoshop 5.5. Most of the features added since then are useless to me.

load more comments (6 replies)

[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 51 points 5 months ago

I repeat, "cloud" is just someone else's computer.

[-] NooBoY@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Louder for those in the back, please.

[-] brsrklf@jlai.lu 41 points 5 months ago

Officially they say it's to comply with law and that they're not using that data to train AI.

That kind of panic is bound to happen when people start wondering what cloud services can do with their stuff.

The answer is simple : in theory, everything. Abuse will happen. Say no to SaaS as much as you can.

[-] IHeartBadCode@kbin.run 24 points 5 months ago

Say no to SaaS as much as you can

I love GIMP and I will die on that hill (yes, fully aware of the things it lacks, thank you). But for those who use Adobe products, from what I can tell, the answer is that they have no choice in the matter. Adobe is just that ubiquitous in that industry that you either use it or you don't work in that profession.

With Adobe dipping into AI stuff, I have an underlying fear they're going to become as ubiquitous in that domain as well, that people trying to compete with them just won't be able to. And then we will have the same problem in AI with Adobe as we have with Digital Image Editors and Adobe.

[-] ricdeh@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

I love GIMP and I will die on that hill

Thank you for saying that out loud. I always find the GIMP hate to be phenomenally ridiculous. I love GIMP too.

[-] olympicyes@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

The biggest problem GIMP has is the name. We need activists to decry the name as ableist or something. I’m sure it was a hilarious joke at the time, but anyone who had seen Pulp Fiction has a pretty strong mental image when they hear the name. They ought to just drop the P and call it GIM. Then it can be a fun play off GIF. Is it pronounce Ghim or Jim?

[-] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The biggest issue with GIMP is its weird UX choices. They should just make it more like Adobe's UX. I know there's tools that bring it closer, but the fact still is that they do some really dumb shit when it comes to experience decisions. Like if I want to change the font of what I'm typing, it works like this...

I have to TYPE in the font I want, no dropdown, and the font selection toolbar off to the side just straight up doesn't apply to what I've typed or selected... and this is AFTER I ran one of those GIMP retrofit tools that tries to make it more in line with Photoshop.

Seriously, I've used Photoshop since 5.5 (not CS 5.5... FIVE POINT FIVE in 1999), and I STILL have to watch a tutorial for almost every single action I could intuit in 5 seconds from Adobe's garbage malware tool.

That being said... the one important thing that GIMP is not... is Adobe garbage malware... GIMP just has a janky UX that no one's going to bother fixing b/c the tool is free so no complaining!

And in any case, just like with Blender coming on to the scene in earnest like a decade ago to end Autodesk's defacto monopoly with its $$$$ per year licensing scheme for proprietary 3D modelling tools... with Adobe rapidly getting worse, and just like with Unity's "pay us per install" debacle made people jump ship to Godot - never to look back... I'd bet that GIMP is going to begin accelerating its improvement... or that Krita will do the same and overtake it in popularity.

...And once that happens, Adobe is cooked. And it can't happen soon enough.

[-] elliot_crane@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

I think Blender, and to a lesser extent Godot, were able to start making leaps and bounds like that due to funding as well. My memory is hazy on it but I recall probably 5-ish years ago the Blender foundation got a massive capital boost, and Godot has seen a lot of big name donors recently due to the Unity debacle. As far as I know, that hasn’t really happened for GIMP yet. I used early builds of both Blender and Godot, and the difference is night and day with how much they’ve managed to mature. GIMP on the other hand looks and feels largely like it did in 2010 IMO.

[-] olympicyes@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

I have you beat then! My first experience with Photoshop was either 2 or 2.5 on my Mac IIci in 1992-93. All that means is that I’m likely older than you. We bought the Mac to run pagemaker after a failed attempt to use it on Windows 3. I started using Illustrator around the same time. I still use it, but mostly I’m throwing my money away on CC because I don’t have the skill necessary to care about AI stealing my work.

[-] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I agree with you about the terrible name. It also doesn’t betray its purpose. Photoshop… hmm something to do with photos? Ok. It makes sense. GIMP? It’s… what, now?

But I disagree that making everyone wonder how to pronounce GIM is the solution 😆

[-] IHeartBadCode@kbin.run 3 points 5 months ago

When folks talk bad about GIMP.

load more comments (2 replies)

[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

It‘s also interesting how a lot of stuff in their terms of use that people complain about has already been in it for a while. The AI stuff really just put much needed attention to how awful Adobe has been for a long time.

[-] Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 5 months ago

I've worked on a couple of Saas in Europe and thankfully GDPR has shaken things a lot. What you have to look for is terms of use where you are the controller, and the Saas is only a processor. In that case they don't have the right to use the data you generate for their own purposes. This generally excludes telemetry like product analytics and logs, but even those must not include any user data, just an opaque id and technical informations.

[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago

Affinity V2 is 50% off right now (75% if you upgrade from V1). You pay once and keep that version indefinitely. And yeah yeah I know Lemmy users will complain it‘s not open source but it‘s definitely the closest you can have to Adobe‘s core suite.

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 11 points 5 months ago

Too bad they've been recently acquired by Canva :(

[-] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

They said they will not change the business model. Can we trust them ?

[-] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 5 months ago

If I had a nickel for every time a company kept that promise, I'd owe money

[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago

I'm hoping. I've been a Serif customer since the 00's. Not much we can do except be very vocal, and remind Serif and Canva that if they go the Adobe route, they'll risk becoming irrelevant. Difference is their power.

[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago

Is canva very enshittified?

[-] jfx@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago

Thank you for the info! Otherwise I would have missed the deal. The affinity suite is the best thing since Photoshop 5.0

[-] th3dogcow@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Thanks for the heads up. I rarely have a need for photoshop these days, but I grabbed the iPad only version of Affinity Photo just in case as it was so cheap in my region.

I’m sure it’ll get some use. Once or twice a year I try using a combination of smartphone apps to do some editing as I can’t be bothered dusting off my old slow laptop. So this will be cool. And it still runs on older hardware. iOS 15 is still supported!

[-] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

I see at leat one limitation, Adobe action scripts are not supported.

[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Oh there are even more limitations, especially when it comes to their Photoshop counterpart Affinity Photo. There is nothing on the market that does the work as well as Photshop, but Affinity comes the closest by a long shot.

load more comments (1 replies)

[-] edwardbear@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

Fuck Adobe. I have never and will never give them a cent. And I truly hope “piracy is theft” is for real, so I can take my beloved PS and Illustrator out of their grubby little hands.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

I'm still running Photoshop CS 4 and don't have any issues.

[-] VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 months ago

Who remembers Macromedia Fireworks?

[-] mint_tamas@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

The entire macromedia suite was so good. I had so much fun and learned so much as a teen.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

I used Director.

[-] Lexam@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 months ago

Welp I'll just have to Gimp along then.

[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

What's stopping you from using a copy of Photoshop you found on the high seas which doesn't have all this weird stuff? Ideally use libre software but if need be, you could use high seas Photoshop too right?

[-] Aux@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

If you're using pirated software for business, your business will get fucked real hard real fast.

load more comments (2 replies)

[-] sugartits@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

When it's for work, no, don't do this. https://www.techspot.com/community/topics/forever-21-gets-caught-pirating-photoshop-adobe-sues.208453/

When it's for personal and you don't agree with the pricing or whatever... Just use something else. There is plenty of choice out there.

[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

True. I think someone said this too when I was talking about using mass activation script for windows

load more comments (1 replies)

[-] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Adobe can only do this because it's anti-libre software, we don't control it. Next time, check the software doesn't fail to come with a libre software license text file, like AGPL.

load more comments

this post was submitted on 07 Jun 2024

372 points (98.4% liked)

Technology

59174 readers

2453 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.

Our Rules

Follow the lemmy.world rules.
Only tech related content.
Be excellent to each another!
Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
Politics threads may be removed.
No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS