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Who profits from domain names fees (lemmy.ml)
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There are some people that asked a similar question but I don't want who gets raw revenue, but who gets the probably obscene margins (profits thus) from paying $10-20/year for linking a piece of string and an IP address?

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[-] charonn0@startrek.website 91 points 1 year ago

Three groups:

  1. The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, the non-profit in charge of domain names.
  2. Domain sponsors, the organization that agrees to provide the infrastructure for a particular top level domain. For example, .com is sponsored by Verisign.
  3. The registrar you deal with has a license from the sponsor to sell registrations for a top level domain.

You pay the registrar, the registrar pays the sponsor, and the sponsor pays ICANN.

[-] trent@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

Don't forget countries. A few, I don't have a list, but including .ai, .pn, are in full control of their domains and do it all on their own infra.

[-] charonn0@startrek.website 10 points 1 year ago

Country-code TLDs are sponsored by the nation-state, but they still fall under the aegis of ICANN.

[-] trent@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

*Sorta. ICANN has a special relationship with ccTLDs. Registries of gtlds can't put an A record at the root tld.

[-] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes. Apparently the YouTuber/Web Dev Theo from theo.gg very recently had his domain just...disappear? Due to the country delisting him or something along those lines...he was obviously, and understandably upset in a recent video he released on this subject.

EDIT: Looks like he got it resolved.

[-] perishthethought@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Super informative, thanks!

[-] birdcat@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

But why is it so expensive? Like 20$ for a .org Domain. Fuck that.

[-] 0110010001100010@beehaw.org 24 points 1 year ago

Cloudflare does no markup pricing, an .org with them is about $10 a year. https://www.cloudflare.com/products/registrar/

[-] equidistantWhitfield@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

$10/year is super expensive for the cost of linking few thousands of requests to an IP address. The point of my question was: who has obscene margins ?

[-] Johan@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

For .org, the non-profit organization that has "obscene" margins is called PIR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Interest_Registry However, they hand over most of their profits after expenses to their parent organization ISOC (Internet Society) which among other things operate IETF, an important internet standards organization.

Of all the top level domains you can complain about, .org is one of the few without a profit motive.

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

$20 is dirt cheap lol. They go up to the hundreds or even thousands. But those domains I do wonder why they cost so much, like a .xxx domain

[-] _MusicJunkie@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

Because someone is willing to pay for them. The internet isn't a nonprofit project anymore like in the 90s when it was run by universities. For better and for worse.

[-] birdcat@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

It's really not dirt cheap, it's pure madness.

I pay ~$100 for the hosting of 100gb, where I can place 20 websites and use 25 email addresses (which have unlimited space I believe). I can also use licensed stuff like divi theme or install Nextcloud and some other apps. That hosting is secure, fast and reliable. Customer support responds within a week at most. All that requires real infrastructure and real work. Every single day.

So pray tell why should the registrar, sponsor and the ICANN get 10, 20 or more % of what I pay for all of that? For one single domain? Every single year. It honestly drives me crazy.

And don't even get me started on those new TLDs, pure cancer. Not even talking about the obviously shady stuff, but also nice-sounding things like .art 🤮

The Internet is infrastructure. We deserve an at-cost, straightforward process to put our stuff there; no need for leeching gatekeepers and shady middlemen.

Free domains for everyone!

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

I assume you weren't being literal about the free domains part, but I agree lol. No reason why one domain should cost $1000 when the other cost $20. It's the exact same technical setup. Prices should vary if they're already bought, but that's about it. That's why I like my .dev TLD because all of those are a flat $15/yr. Yet something cool for the hip techy youngsters would be like a .io domain, but those are $100+. Like why?

[-] equidistantWhitfield@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

A guy told me that the one ripping us off is the TLD owner so I guess the TLD owner is ripping even more people renting .io domains

[-] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

If domains don't cost anything, what's going to stop spammers from registering literally all of the domain names? Spam domains are already a huge problem, and I can only imagine that problem getting much worse if the gate is not kept.

[-] birdcat@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Idk how to solve that problem but the current system is increasing it: https://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/tlds/

[-] equidistantWhitfield@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Handshake DNS has a cost but no one is ripped off since it is with a crypto that gets burned so everyone earns since burning -> deflation

[-] redcalcium@c.calciumlabs.com 6 points 1 year ago

OpenNIC is free, but pretty much almost no one use them. But I think lemmings would love them because of their open and democratic nature.

[-] smstnitc@lemmy2.addictmud.org 1 points 1 year ago

before it opened for companies to be allowed to do registrations I paid $70 for my first .org domain. Back then you were also required to do 2 years up front then you could lay $35 a year after that. This was back in the late 90's, so $70 was a lot more back then.

$20 is nothing now.

[-] equidistantWhitfield@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

If everyone had a personal domain name, at the pic of world population, the total cost of DNS would be $200'000'000'000, it is higher than the GDP of Hungary ! According to https://www.namebase.io/ the industry already weights half of that whilst the web is super centralized, what the freak

[-] equidistantWhitfield@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks !

I asked for who rips me off, is it the domain sponsors (TLD owners) ?

[-] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 0 points 1 year ago

Great answer

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Chiefly the domain name registrar.

[-] equidistantWhitfield@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

So if it is the guys who owns the TLDs who rip everyone off, if a company bought a TLD and started to rent it at production price, it would finally enable domain names at like one cent or one dollar? (most websites have like 10 requests and they have a single IP, I don't get why one cent would be impossible)

[-] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 3 points 1 year ago

Can I expand this question to who gets profits when you buy land on the moon, or buy a star, as a gift? Is it completely bullshit or what?

[-] neko@fishfry.cheese.beer 19 points 1 year ago

Those are just 1980s NFTs. You don't own anything other than the certificate

[-] Kissaki@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I saw a short do on the moon land selling once. They're not actually selling moon land. IIRC international agreement is nobody can own any.

They sell certificates. And they have to disclose that in the fine print or sth. Still, people buy it for fun/novelty, or for the off-chance it'll mean something.

So the person who took a map of the moon and sells certificates on his distribution of their own map splitting gets all of that money.

[-] max@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago

99.99% sure it’s all bullshit. Same with buying land in Scotland. You will actually own something there, though it is minuscule in size and no one will actually call you a lord or lady for it. In contrast, no one has ownership rights to stars or celestial bodies, including the moon, so that’s all bogus for sure.

[-] elscallr@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

That's completely bullshit. There are, however, a ton of costs associated with domain names.

[-] foo@withachanceof.com 2 points 1 year ago

Is it completely bullshit or what?

Ding ding ding!

[-] redcalcium@c.calciumlabs.com 1 points 1 year ago

If you don't want to pay, there are other alternative domain name system, like OpenNIC. The problem is, most operating system don't recognize them so you'll have to go out of your way to install them into your machine, which significantly limit their adoption.

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