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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 138 points 1 year ago

Agent Smith clarified that civilization progressed beyond 1999, but that it wasn't human's progress anymore.

Agent Smith: "and I say 'your' civilization, because after we started thinking for you it became 'our' civilization."

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[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

The machines did nothing wrong, it was mankind that caused Nuclear war. I would side with the machines in a heartbeat

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 year ago

The human battery concentration camp is kinda weird though

[-] nirodhaavidya@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Humans as a power source was the dumbed-down plot point. The original concept was the human brains acting as parallel processors, but the writers thought the average movie-goer wouldn't get it.

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[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

We're currently in version 1 of the matrix which blows up. Hopefully soon.

[-] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wasn't the first iteration of the matrix a perfect utopia that blew up because the human mind ended up rejecting its programming?

[-] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago

It was The Architect's vision of a perfect world, so given what we know of him it was probably a featureless box with a chair in the middle and you could sit there forever. No way that's lasting long.

[-] orphiebaby@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fun statement and all, but he clearly understood what humans wanted and needed. He just didn't factor in that imperfect humans wouldn't accept a society and life that were somehow perfect in spite of said humans. They en masse knew something felt off.

[-] _Lost_@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Then they overcorrected and made it too bad. That's where we are now.

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[-] MusketeerX@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago

I still remember 1 Jan 2000. There did seem to be some sense of optimism about where things could go. At least for those of us lucky enough to live in stable, developed countries.

Cold war over, Russia and The West seemingly on the same side, China opening up, exciting new tech connecting us but no toxic social media yet...

But then... the dot com bust, 9/11, the GFC, toxic social media and the rise of "the algorithm", Xi in China, Putin in Russia, a global pandemic......

Didn't really go where we hoped, can we restore to a backup from 1999 and try again??

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

I mean, it wasn't if you're gay or trans.....

[-] Kolrami@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Fun fact: Switch was originally supposed to be trans. Her name is still an indicator of it. I think she was supposed to be biologically a man in the real world, but biologically a woman in the matrix.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

Not all that great now either tho.

So maybe 2015 was the peak?

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Aye. I could buy that. It was the last time it was social suicide to be an unironic nazi.

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[-] ReadyUser31@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Transcription:

Dave Wiskus

@dwiskus

The Matrix described 1999 as the peak of human civilization and I laughed because that would obviously not age well but then the next 23 years happened and now l'm like yeah okay maybe the machines had a point

[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 year ago

Makes sense. Boomers were still young enough to be relevant. GenX was comfortable with their disposable income. And us millennials were in highschool.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago

GenX didn't have much disposable income in 99, but you didn't need much to have fun.

[-] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago

In 99 people were throwing cash around like crazy, it was a wild time (before the dotcom crash)

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

I guess the older Gen X could have been part of that. The younger ones were still finishing up college and just starting their careers when the economy crashed for the first, but not last time in their lives. The youngest ones joined the workforce just after the dot com bust.

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[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago

And people wrote articles like this. And it wasn't even completely ridiculous. And I still believe the world would be very different today if GWB hadn't "won" the election.

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[-] LilDestructiveSheep@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I dunno..but somehow I feel like he got a point.

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[-] canihasaccount@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

I literally just said this to my wife last week. So far, the timeline of The Matrix has tracked, lol.

[-] volodymyr@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

It was just the peak of the US, in some aspects anyway. With all my appreciation to all the good things that the US still does.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

While we're on the subject of the Matrix... what happens if you take both pills?

[-] badcommandorfilename@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

The story continues. You wake up in Wonderland and believe how deep the rabbit hole goes.

[-] aksdb@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago

One of them will be digested slightly earlier than the other. That one takes effect.

[-] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago
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[-] Pratai@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

Oh we definitely peaked in the 90’s. Save for a few significant victories for the LGBTQ+ and people of color…we were far better off two decades ago.

Especially regarding music.

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