So, they're just gonna let some far-right idiots ruin a much deeper and longstanding culture?
Well, done.
I mean it's not the first time they've done so.
I mean that was always the risk with banning speech. Lots of shit gets co-opted out of it's original usage. Swastika being the prime example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika. Now those with other cultures that use the symbol in completely different ways gets shafted out of their culture/religion/whatever. Now it's going to be metal heads... Which you don't really want to fuck with. We're generally a crazy bunch.
Anyway this is just fuel for them to co-opt a bunch more shit and censor/ruin cultures that they don't like. It's just like the "okay" hand gesture... Next will be "thumbs up" for some insane reasoning/logic.
other cultures that use the symbol in completely different ways gets shafted out of their culture/religion/whatever. Now it's going to be metal heads...
Based on the description, the gesture described has nothing to do with metal heads...
Based on the description, the gesture described has nothing to do with metal heads…
Well... one usage of it for sure does. BabyMetal has co-opted it into their shtick some decade ago. They retroactively added it to the band as they do put some of the Japanese lore into their stuff... With the kitsune (fox god) being the reference for the hand gesture itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_horns Just scroll down and you'll see an image referencing "Yuimetal", who's from the original Babymetal lineup (original image https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Babymetal_at_2015_GQ_Men_of_the_Year_ceremony.jpg).
Forget that it has other meaning elsewhere, this is just the one that I recognize immediately.
Other's that I've seen brought up..
It does however resemble the "too sweet" sign used in wrestling by backstage friends in WWF known collectively as "the kliq", later used by some of those friends in WCW's NWO and in Japan's NJPW by a group called Bullet Club.
It's the "silent fox" in germany. Used by the teacher in the Kindergarten when the kids are to loud.
Taking the hand gesture away has everything to do with EVERY culture that uses it.
Then I think "Babymetal fans" would've been a better descriptor than "metal heads", lol
Babymetal is metal... Don't be one of those gatekeeper pricks that makes claims that certain bands aren't metal. Hell they've toured with Judas Priest. Are you also going to say Rob Halford isn't metal?
Lmao... Are you being facetious?
You said that banning the gesture would upset metal heads. But the gesture is not something that's relevant to all metal heads as a group.
My first guess was that, based on the description, someone mixed up the fox gesture with the "horns" gesture (that is commonly associated with heavy metal).
This is also just a cutesy hand sign for "fox" in Japan, with zero alt-right symbolism. Foxes are a significant part of the mythology there, and there are all sorts of tales about leaving food for fox spirits to bring good fortune. There's even a prominent vTuber who's regularly depicted making the sign.
I wish these alt-right fuckwads would stop trying to wreck shit for the rest of the world.
I feels like, the far right will not stop ruining thing to begin with, and with everything banned due to associated with far right movement, they will continue to evolve and adopt their gesture and symbol to further ruining everything just to trigger everyone else. That's how they empowering themselves, and people took their bait, hook, line, and sinker.
It's time to considering another way to tackle extremism than to ban symbol and hand sign.
What about the baby metal fox god?
Baby Metal fans in shambles.
Imagine losing all symbols to far right because as soon as they start using it you do not fight...
How do you fight it? Go around using it at every opportunity and have people think you're a far right sympathiser? They'll believe that before they believe you're simply passionate about symbols.
In this particular case it could be to just keep it as its silence meaning. And more generally it could be associating it with more positive symbols like the lgbtq flag, or a socialist rose in France (this is a poor example because the fren socialist party always betray but it is the spirit). If each time they start to use a symbol we stop using it, they the only possibility left for the symbol is to be for the far right. But if you keep using it for the original meaning, it should be good. It happens with the triskell (beton symbol). It was used by a SS section from britain but now it is still used to represent Bretagne (like the gwen Ha-Du)
I recommend replacing it with the silent middle finger.
"I told them it means ~~peace between worlds~~ time to be quiet." -Rick
Metal fans are outraged.
Here the sign is similar, but without the raised "ears", so all four fingers touching the thumb.
Though it's far less "official" as such, it's far more common to use the sign language "quiet" or "silent".
Pssht!
How will they summon the fox devil?
The sign means “Llama” in the sign language I’m currently learning… Guess we don’t talk about those far-right llamas.
Zot zot zot!
Oh no the quiet coyote :(
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The “silent fox” gesture – where the hand is posed to resemble an animal with upright ears (the little and forefinger) and a closed mouth (the middle fingers pressed against the thumb) – has long been seen as a useful teaching tool by educators in Germany and elsewhere.
The salute was recently the focus of a diplomatic and sporting row, when the Turkish national football player Merih Demiral used it to celebrate scoring a goal in Turkey’s round of 16 match against Austria at the Euros earlier this month.
While the symbol not banned in Germany as it is in neighbouring Austria and France, its use was condemned by interior minister Nancy Faeser, who said “to use the football championships as a platform for racism” was “completely unacceptable.”
Patricia Brandt, a spokesperson for Bremen’s education authority, said the topic of the silent fox gesture and whether to ban it had long been under discussion but the city felt it now had no choice.
The wolf salute is the symbol and identifying logo of the Grey Wolves, which is classified as a rightwing extremist group and has an estimated 20,000 members in Germany and many more outside the country.
The group, which has a long history of terrorism dating back to the 1970s, has been blamed for bomb attacks in Paris and Bangkok, and the attempt on the life of Pope John Paul II in 1981.
The original article contains 622 words, the summary contains 235 words. Saved 62%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!
A community for discussing events around the World
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
){kind=link}
